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Formal Debate Challenge Thread

#1  Postby THWOTH » Jul 24, 2013 12:02 pm

Are you a protagonist looking for your perfect antagonist? If so then you're in the right place.

Propose a formal debate subject, or issue a general challenge, or discuss other possibilities.....



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Re: Formal Debate Challenge Thread

#2  Postby HomerJay » Jul 24, 2013 1:21 pm

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Re: Formal Debate?

#3  Postby Doubtdispelled » Jul 24, 2013 8:52 pm


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Damn you Tapatalk :lay:




Unlike Mick, I'm not surprised that there have been no takers.

That's because I think you're going about it all wrong, Thwoth.

THWOTH wrote:Tired of hearing the same old drivel


That's the problematic phrase. It gives the impression that the board itself, and its moderation, will automatically be against the least popular viewpoint, because it comes from you.

It hints at a total lack of impartiality on the part of the forum as a whole, along with a presumed unwillingness to even consider another viewpoint.
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Re: Formal Debate?

#4  Postby Doubtdispelled » Jul 24, 2013 8:53 pm

Er - hang on, why is this in music? :ask:

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Uh, ok, scratch that. It's global...

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Re: Formal Debate?

#5  Postby willhud9 » Jul 24, 2013 9:30 pm

Byron and I have a formal debate being planned. :mrgreen: It shall be an interesting one to say the least.
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Re: Formal Debate?

#6  Postby Scar » Jul 24, 2013 9:46 pm

I find formal debates pointless and dumb.
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Re: Formal Debate?

#7  Postby THWOTH » Jul 24, 2013 10:54 pm

Doubtdispelled wrote:Unlike Mick, I'm not surprised that there have been no takers.

That's because I think you're going about it all wrong, Thwoth.

THWOTH wrote:Tired of hearing the same old drivel


That's the problematic phrase. It gives the impression that the board itself, and its moderation, will automatically be against the least popular viewpoint, because it comes from you.

It hints at a total lack of impartiality on the part of the forum as a whole, along with a presumed unwillingness to even consider another viewpoint.

I get what you're saying (no, I really do), but I think you're reading a little too much into an announcement that was intended just to pique a bit of interest.

The thing about a formal debate is that it's a head-to-head discussion in a format which the parties agree to beforehand. One would hope therefore that the parties are not only willing to consider another viewpoint, but somewhat obliged to a account for and address it in their own remarks. The role of the debate moderator may involve brokering that agreement, but it's mostly a technical role, setting up the thread, appraising the onlooker as to the terms of the debate, and, once under way, ensuring that each contributor to the discussion holds up their end of the bargain.

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Re: Formal Debate?

#8  Postby willhud9 » Jul 25, 2013 2:13 am

Scar wrote:I find formal debates pointless and dumb.


Your face is pointless and dumb. :evilgrin:

Just kidding, Scar.


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Re: Formal Debate?

#9  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Aug 10, 2013 6:24 pm

willhud9 wrote:
Scar wrote:I find formal debates pointless and dumb.


Your face is pointless and dumb. :evilgrin:

Just kidding, Scar.


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What's the topic?
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Formal Debate Challenge Thread

#10  Postby natselrox » Aug 10, 2013 8:20 pm

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Re: Formal Debate?

#11  Postby willhud9 » Aug 12, 2013 1:18 am

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
willhud9 wrote:
Scar wrote:I find formal debates pointless and dumb.


Your face is pointless and dumb. :evilgrin:

Just kidding, Scar.


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What's the topic?


I think the mods forgot about it o.O I'll have to send a PM.

But the topic is Can the Christian Faith Be Rationally Defended? In which I will take the position that yes it can and present a rational defense of it and Byron will demonstrate why it cannot. That's the plan anyways. :mrgreen:
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Re: Formal Debate Challenge Thread

#12  Postby THWOTH » Aug 12, 2013 2:24 am

For general information...

Once you have a potential proposition and antagonist, as thrashed out here or via PM, take a look at the FD Guidance, discuss matters with your antagonist, and then forward a PM Formal Dabate mods to which both parties are... erm.. party, outlining things like...

  • The agreed proposition, and who is 'for' and who is 'against.'
  • The format (For example, introduction <500 words; 4 posts each of < 2000; conclusion < 500 words).
  • Whether citations and references are to be included in the word count, or made in a separate post, or whatever...
  • The maximum period between posts.
  • Any other agreed considerations.
After that a mod will be in touch to confirm and, providing the debate is approved, the threads will be set up and the debate started.
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Re: Formal Debate?

#13  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Aug 12, 2013 7:08 am

willhud9 wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
willhud9 wrote:
Scar wrote:I find formal debates pointless and dumb.


Your face is pointless and dumb. :evilgrin:

Just kidding, Scar.


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What's the topic?


I think the mods forgot about it o.O I'll have to send a PM.

But the topic is Can the Christian Faith Be Rationally Defended? In which I will take the position that yes it can and present a rational defense of it and Byron will demonstrate why it cannot. That's the plan anyways. :mrgreen:

Sounds interesting. Good luck Will! :thumbup:
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Re: Formal Debate Challenge Thread

#14  Postby THWOTH » Aug 13, 2013 7:38 pm

We have our first formal debate in the re-vamped forum, A Deity Exists, with a second in the pipeline.
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Re: Formal Debate Challenge Thread

#15  Postby THWOTH » Aug 13, 2013 11:21 pm

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Re: Formal Debate Challenge Thread

#16  Postby willhud9 » Aug 13, 2013 11:41 pm

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Re: Formal Debate Challenge Thread

#17  Postby Mick » Aug 27, 2013 12:12 am

I am up for debating unpopular ethical views, such as those against gay marriage or gay sex. But the mods would have to let me voice a moral argument without getting banned.
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Re: Formal Debate Challenge Thread

#18  Postby THWOTH » Aug 27, 2013 1:40 am

The FUA applies to all sections of the forum. :coffee:
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Re: Formal Debate Challenge Thread

#19  Postby Mick » Aug 27, 2013 2:45 am

THWOTH wrote:The FUA applies to all sections of the forum. :coffee:




“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum...."
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Re: Formal Debate Challenge Thread

#20  Postby willhud9 » Aug 27, 2013 3:02 am

And? If you present material which is hateful, or preachy towards the members (which is included in a formal debate) you are violating the FUA. The mods cannot simply tweak the FUA.
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