Having Babies. An Endless Right or an Abused Privelege?

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#121  Postby juju7 » Feb 05, 2019 9:53 am

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90% of phosphates in the Great Lakes is from agriculture, which represents 20% of fresh water world wide and is the source if drinking water for many parts of North America.

https://www.watercanada.net/feature/eva ... phosphorus


OK, but this doesn't apply to the rest of the world.

Nevertheless good luck with getting your farmers to be more responsible.
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#122  Postby Alan B » Feb 11, 2019 11:52 am

BBC
Hungary tries for baby boom with tax breaks and loan forgiveness

Hungarian women with four children or more will be exempted for life from paying income tax, the prime minister has said, unveiling plans designed to boost the number of babies being born.
It was a way of defending Hungary's future without depending on immigration, Viktor Orban said.
The right-wing nationalist particularly opposes immigration by Muslims.
Hungary's population is falling by 32,000 a year, and women there have fewer children than the EU average.
As part of the measures, young couples will be offered interest-free loans of 10 million forint ($36,000), to be cancelled once they have three children.
Mr Orban said that "for the West", the answer to falling birth rates in Europe was immigration: "For every missing child there should be one coming in and then the numbers will be fine.

I see. Keep fucking to keep the Muslims out and fuck the rest of the world.

Why not wind-down the pollution producing industries to match the falling population and 'stop' immigration? :whistle:

Perhaps he's an AGW denier? :ask:
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#123  Postby Macdoc » Feb 12, 2019 6:00 am

I'm not fond of being wrong ....really detest being abysmally wrong....

This is mind blowing

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AUTHOR: MEGAN MOLTENIMEGAN MOLTENI
SCIENCE
02.04.1907:00 AM
THE WORLD MIGHT ACTUALLY RUN OUT OF PEOPLE

YOU KNOW THE story. Despite technologies, regulations, and policies to make humanity less of a strain on the earth, people just won’t stop reproducing. By 2050 there will be 9 billion carbon-burning, plastic-polluting, calorie-consuming people on the planet. By 2100, that number will balloon to 11 billion, pushing society into a Soylent Green scenario. Such dire population predictions aren’t the stuff of sci-fi; those numbers come from one of the most trusted world authorities, the United Nations.

But what if they’re wrong? Not like, off by a rounding error, but like totally, completely goofed?

That’s the conclusion Canadian journalist John Ibbitson and political scientist Darrell Bricker come to in their newest book, Empty Planet, due out February 5th.

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https://www.wired.com/story/the-world-m ... =synd_digg


But what if they’re wrong? Not like, off by a rounding error, but like totally, completely goofed?

yup ....they did ....one of the most eye opening books in a while .....I thought Japan was an outlier...it's not. Very much worth a read.

‘Empty Planet’ Review: A Drop in Numbers
Governments stoke fears about overpopulation, but the reality is that fertility rates are falling faster than most experts can readily explain.
‘Empty Planet’ Review: A Drop in Numbers
PHOTO: ARTUR WIDAK/NURPHOTO VIA GETTY IMAGES

Is a dangerous population explosion imminent? For decades we’ve been told so by scientific elites, starting with the Club of Rome reports in the 1970s. But in their compelling book “Empty Planet: The Shock of Global Population Decline,” Canadian social scientist Darrell Bricker and journalist John Ibbitson lay out the opposite case: “The great defining event of the twenty-first century,” they say, “will occur in three decades, give or take, when the global population starts to decline. Once that decline begins, it will never end.”


https://www.wsj.com/articles/empty-plan ... 1549497631
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#124  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 12, 2019 9:11 am

Probably the Earth would be better without humans. We have made such a mess.
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#125  Postby Cito di Pense » Feb 12, 2019 9:25 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:Probably the Earth would be better without humans. We have made such a mess.


Do you have any kids, Scot? I don't.
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#126  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 12, 2019 9:31 am

Does not really bother me. My son died many moons ago. A bigger mess could not be made and with countries like the USA and China where is the hope. We are throwing everything to get the CO2 down and yet a cunt like Trump could not care. So why bother.
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#127  Postby tuco » Feb 12, 2019 10:06 am

Its not mind blowing, its just different look:

But the more you pick away at it, like John Ibbitson and I did, and you talk to demographers, you find out that there's an awful lot of debate about what the future is going to look like.


https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-4 ... -1.5009923

besides, I talked about China and low fertility in the developed world already. But yeah, who cares about that ..
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#128  Postby Cito di Pense » Feb 14, 2019 10:43 am

Here's one we're sure you'll REALLY like:

Shamima Begum, now 19, ran away to Syria from the UK at 15 to be a bride to an IS fighter she didn't know at the time, has lost two babies to malnutrition and disease in refugee camps and is nearly to term with a third child. She wants to come back to the UK where health care is, um, better. Reportedly, she just wants to settle down and "live quietly with her child".

And maybe have several more by the time she's 25, huh? Such a busy girl. Beats working as a clerk in Boots, ringing up shampoo at the register.

Aside from suspicions about having had terrorist or Islamist leanings, she also appears to be terminally stupid, except for seeing the wisdom of accessing better health care. And just in time for Brexit, too! Now there's a project for radical feminism.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47229181
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#129  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 14, 2019 11:17 am

Still with no regrets. Well there will be a nice prison cell waiting for her.
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#130  Postby Fallible » Feb 14, 2019 11:52 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:Does not really bother me. My son died many moons ago. A bigger mess could not be made and with countries like the USA and China where is the hope. We are throwing everything to get the CO2 down and yet a cunt like Trump could not care. So why bother.


What about your daughter?
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#131  Postby Hermit » Feb 14, 2019 12:10 pm

Macdoc wrote:I'm not fond of being wrong ....really detest being abysmally wrong....

This is mind blowing

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"The drivers of global fertility decline are here to stay."

Apparently, those drivers are "women’s empowerment: In virtually every country where gender equality improved in the last 50 years, fertility rates declined correspondingly." Nothing to do with the need for dual incomes, a focus on material comforts, the recognition of the unsustainably a logarithmically growing global population does to a planet that does not grow and above all easily available affordable and efficient contraceptives that free us from the yoke of involuntary procreation that we had no choice but to endure for our entire existence until recently.

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#132  Postby laklak » Feb 15, 2019 2:17 am

Cito di Pense wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:Probably the Earth would be better without humans. We have made such a mess.


Do you have any kids, Scot? I don't.


I got two. Make me an offer.
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#133  Postby Cito di Pense » Feb 15, 2019 8:44 am

laklak wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:Probably the Earth would be better without humans. We have made such a mess.


Do you have any kids, Scot? I don't.


I got two. Make me an offer.


OK, if the meat is Halal, I'll take 2 kilos of beer-bellies and a 12-kg haunch of girl, fat trimmed. Consider your pricing scheme in relation to "the other white meat". Let's face it, we are talking "long pig", but since it ain't actually pig, we should be OK.

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#134  Postby CarlPierce » Feb 15, 2019 3:25 pm

Those with an eagerness to reproduce will create more kids with a greater desire to reproduce.
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#135  Postby laklak » Feb 15, 2019 3:30 pm

Long Pork, it's the future!
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#136  Postby Macdoc » Feb 15, 2019 9:28 pm

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#137  Postby archibald » Feb 16, 2019 8:42 am

Macdoc wrote:I'm not fond of being wrong ....really detest being abysmally wrong....

This is mind blowing

Image


AUTHOR: MEGAN MOLTENIMEGAN MOLTENI
SCIENCE
02.04.1907:00 AM
THE WORLD MIGHT ACTUALLY RUN OUT OF PEOPLE

YOU KNOW THE story. Despite technologies, regulations, and policies to make humanity less of a strain on the earth, people just won’t stop reproducing. By 2050 there will be 9 billion carbon-burning, plastic-polluting, calorie-consuming people on the planet. By 2100, that number will balloon to 11 billion, pushing society into a Soylent Green scenario. Such dire population predictions aren’t the stuff of sci-fi; those numbers come from one of the most trusted world authorities, the United Nations.

But what if they’re wrong? Not like, off by a rounding error, but like totally, completely goofed?

That’s the conclusion Canadian journalist John Ibbitson and political scientist Darrell Bricker come to in their newest book, Empty Planet, due out February 5th.

more
https://www.wired.com/story/the-world-m ... =synd_digg


But what if they’re wrong? Not like, off by a rounding error, but like totally, completely goofed?

yup ....they did ....one of the most eye opening books in a while .....I thought Japan was an outlier...it's not. Very much worth a read.

‘Empty Planet’ Review: A Drop in Numbers
Governments stoke fears about overpopulation, but the reality is that fertility rates are falling faster than most experts can readily explain.
‘Empty Planet’ Review: A Drop in Numbers
PHOTO: ARTUR WIDAK/NURPHOTO VIA GETTY IMAGES

Is a dangerous population explosion imminent? For decades we’ve been told so by scientific elites, starting with the Club of Rome reports in the 1970s. But in their compelling book “Empty Planet: The Shock of Global Population Decline,” Canadian social scientist Darrell Bricker and journalist John Ibbitson lay out the opposite case: “The great defining event of the twenty-first century,” they say, “will occur in three decades, give or take, when the global population starts to decline. Once that decline begins, it will never end.”


https://www.wsj.com/articles/empty-plan ... 1549497631


It's hard to know how to respond to that. Perhaps by saying that as far as I can see there's zero in it that isn't already well-known and understood. As for the review, it's always useful to start with a straw man and then keep going, until you get to a dubious conclusion.
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#138  Postby Macdoc » Feb 16, 2019 12:18 pm

well - you respond when you've read the book. :roll:
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#139  Postby archibald » Feb 16, 2019 1:41 pm

Macdoc wrote:well - you respond when you've read the book. :roll:


I don't see any good reason to either spend the time doing that or paying any money to do so.

Ditto for any or every book I might consider reading.

Apart from what I said already, about the first line of a posted review being a straw man and the last line a very dubious conclusion, even the title of the book is daft, ffs.
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#140  Postby Macdoc » Feb 16, 2019 6:22 pm

But you waste time opining about something you've not read and want to appear sage ....I see....daft indeed. :coffee:
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