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How Would The Discovery Of Fossils On Mars Change You?

#1  Postby aufbahrung » Mar 12, 2021 7:20 pm

Say next week they found a fossil of some ammonite thing or similar. Would you feel the universe to be a little less cold and far away? Would you want to go to Mars in search of the new Mammoth in your stone age heart?
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#2  Postby TopCat » Mar 12, 2021 7:39 pm

aufbahrung wrote:Say next week they found a fossil of some ammonite thing or similar. Would you feel the universe to be a little less cold and far away? Would you want to go to Mars in search of the new Mammoth in your stone age heart?

Leaving aside the rather ridiculous phrasing of the question, I think it would be truly wonderful.

If it could be shown that prokaryotes had found a pathway to eukaryotes more than once, especially somewhere as close as Mars, then it would be a virtual certainty that the galaxy, and indeed the universe, is absolutely teeming with intelligent life.

Possibly not for long in any one place, as seems increasingly likely here, but even so. I'd be extremely happy to hear of such a discovery.
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#3  Postby Keep It Real » Mar 12, 2021 7:56 pm

It wouldn't change me one jot...except to strengthen my arsenal of anti-theist weaponry...as if it needed strengthening.
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How Would The Discovery Of Fossils On Mars Change You?

#4  Postby felltoearth » Mar 12, 2021 8:11 pm

Don’t we already have a Mars fossil? I thought it was dug up in the Antarctic.

ETA ah, deemed unlikely

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Hills_84001


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#5  Postby BlackBart » Mar 12, 2021 8:21 pm

I'd be changed in as far as I'd be aware of a discovery of a fossil on Mars that I was previously unaware of.
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#6  Postby Thommo » Mar 12, 2021 8:24 pm

I'd start wearing trousers around the house more, I think.
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#7  Postby BlackBart » Mar 12, 2021 8:27 pm

felltoearth wrote:Don’t we already have a Mars fossil? I thought it was dug up in the Antarctic.

ETA ah, deemed unlikely

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Hills_84001



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#8  Postby Calilasseia » Mar 12, 2021 10:29 pm

A bona fide fossil of a previously living indigenous Martian organism, would be headline news all over the world.

I for one would enjoy the butthurt emanating from the mythology fanboys the moment this was announced :)
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#9  Postby don't get me started » Mar 13, 2021 12:24 am

Calilasseia wrote:A bona fide fossil of a previously living indigenous Martian organism, would be headline news all over the world.

I for one would enjoy the butthurt emanating from the mythology fanboys the moment this was announced :)


Indeed, but you know how these bend-the-facts-to-fit-the-narrative types work, and there would be the usual, god of the gaps mental gymnastics, supported by some holy book verses that are so vague they could mean anything to anyone.

For those of us whose intellects are not thus afflicted, it would be very very interesting indeed and I would read everything I could lay my hands on to try and understand what it is that was found. (Also probably watch a load of Youtube videos - from the more serious end of the contributor spectrum of course.)

Hopefully it would also spur us on to go and have a look and see what is under the ice on Europa and Enceladus....
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#10  Postby The_Piper » Mar 13, 2021 1:54 am

Theists would be about the furthest thing from my mind. But I hold the discovery of extraterrestrial life, single or multicellular, or something aside from cellular, to be the most impactful thing that could happen in my life. It's all about aliens. :mrgreen: I learn about the rise of life, animals, animal behavior, intelligence, and technology on Earth and relate it to pondering about the universe immediately. (There certainly wont be ammonites or mammoths on Mars, of course.)
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#11  Postby Hermit » Mar 13, 2021 2:53 am

I'd build a space wall. It would be a beautiful wall. The best. And I'd make the Martians pay for it. I'd have the Space Farce I created guard it to ensure that none of them get across it. They don’t send their best, and some of them are rapists and criminals.
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#12  Postby jamest » Mar 13, 2021 3:24 am

Calilasseia wrote:A bona fide fossil of a previously living indigenous Martian organism, would be headline news all over the world.

I for one would enjoy the butthurt emanating from the mythology fanboys the moment this was announced :)

Don't be daft. The existence of life ANYWHERE within the universe would do NOTHING to disprove the existence of God. At best, it would disprove the existence of a God who was shallow enough to invest everything into one species (and even one subset of that species) on a small planet in a small corner of the universe.

Yet, God itself did not parrot that narrative, did it? At some point you might wake the fuck up to the realisation that you're questioning humanity/religion here, not God. But somehow I fucking doubt it, as ever since I've known you you've been parroting the same old bullshit about how science disproves the religious/human version of God as though the religious/human version of God was absolute in the sense of God's valuation/meaning and as though science was absolute in the sense of God's subsequent poverty.

All these years, dude, missing the mark. You're smart enough to do so, so wake the fuck up. :coffee:
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#13  Postby jamest » Mar 13, 2021 3:29 am

For the record, as a theist, I'd be totally and utterly disappointed with God if there were no daft twats like you lot out there anywhere beyone 'Earth'.
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#14  Postby Hermit » Mar 13, 2021 4:30 am

jamest wrote:For the record, as a theist, I'd be totally and utterly disappointed with God if there were no daft twats like you lot out there anywhere beyone 'Earth'.

I'd be disappointed with a supernatural creator of life, the universe and everything about the design faults of his creation. Looking at us humans, for example, who'd build the playground right next to the sewer? And don't start me on the architectural integrity of our backs. Those vertebrae are inherently a structural disaster zone. Then there's our planet. Not very sound when one shiver can kill a quarter million of its human population in a matter of a few hours.

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#15  Postby Spearthrower » Mar 13, 2021 7:12 am

jamest wrote:
Calilasseia wrote:A bona fide fossil of a previously living indigenous Martian organism, would be headline news all over the world.

I for one would enjoy the butthurt emanating from the mythology fanboys the moment this was announced :)

Don't be daft. The existence of life ANYWHERE within the universe would do NOTHING to disprove the existence of God. At best, it would disprove the existence of a God who was shallow enough to invest everything into one species (and even one subset of that species) on a small planet in a small corner of the universe.

Yet, God itself did not parrot that narrative, did it? At some point you might wake the fuck up to the realisation that you're questioning humanity/religion here, not God. But somehow I fucking doubt it, as ever since I've known you you've been parroting the same old bullshit about how science disproves the religious/human version of God as though the religious/human version of God was absolute in the sense of God's valuation/meaning and as though science was absolute in the sense of God's subsequent poverty.

All these years, dude, missing the mark. You're smart enough to do so, so wake the fuck up. :coffee:




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#16  Postby Mike_L » Mar 13, 2021 11:32 am

The Martian civilization self-destructed because it failed to counter the rise of liberalism.

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#17  Postby TopCat » Mar 13, 2021 1:01 pm

jamest wrote:
Calilasseia wrote:A bona fide fossil of a previously living indigenous Martian organism, would be headline news all over the world.

I for one would enjoy the butthurt emanating from the mythology fanboys the moment this was announced :)

Don't be daft. The existence of life ANYWHERE within the universe would do NOTHING to disprove the existence of God. At best, it would disprove the existence of a God who was shallow enough to invest everything into one species (and even one subset of that species) on a small planet in a small corner of the universe.

Yet, God itself did not parrot that narrative, did it? At some point you might wake the fuck up to the realisation that you're questioning humanity/religion here, not God. But somehow I fucking doubt it, as ever since I've known you you've been parroting the same old bullshit about how science disproves the religious/human version of God as though the religious/human version of God was absolute in the sense of God's valuation/meaning and as though science was absolute in the sense of God's subsequent poverty.

All these years, dude, missing the mark. You're smart enough to do so, so wake the fuck up. :coffee:

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#18  Postby Animavore » Mar 13, 2021 1:34 pm

I don't think it would change anything for me. I've always been open to it even though I find it doubtful.
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#19  Postby chairman bill » Mar 13, 2021 3:06 pm

jamest wrote:... The existence of life ANYWHERE within the universe would do NOTHING to disprove the existence of God ...


Given the unfalsifiability of the claim to a supreme supernatural entity, nothing is going to disprove it. As is now, the burden of evidence would rest with those making the positive claim for its existence, and as is now, that evidence will not be forthcoming.
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#20  Postby felltoearth » Mar 13, 2021 4:46 pm

chairman bill wrote:
jamest wrote:... The existence of life ANYWHERE within the universe would do NOTHING to disprove the existence of God ...


Given the unfalsifiability of the claim to a supreme supernatural entity, nothing is going to disprove it. As is now, the burden of evidence would rest with those making the positive claim for its existence, and as is now, that evidence will not be forthcoming.

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