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chairman bill wrote:Does this mean that when someone says something nasty about me, I can ask, "Is it 'cos I is black?", because my great something grandmother came from Waterford, and various other great somethings also came from Ireland?
Evolving wrote:I know plenty of black people who are racist towards Moslems, and it depresses and enrages me.
Animavore wrote:At least not if we follow this guy's logic.
I think he makes a good case for lumping Irish people in with the other "people of colour" he mentions and not with whitey.
Thoughts?
igorfrankensteen wrote:This is another chain-yanking thread, right?
If I run into anyone who claims to genuinely believe that only some groups can be guilty of racism, I would ask them first of all, to explain the exact mechanism and time-table that is involved with getting that free pass.
For what it's worth, I don't believe in "reverse racism." No such thing. there's juuuuuust racism, and it's as universal to everyone as having to poop periodically.
igorfrankensteen wrote: I ask, as others have before me, exactly how and when a vile act becomes a laudable one, due to who commits it against whom and why. Racism, to my thinking, does not change from being a bad thing, to being a good thing, simply because someone is racist for the sake of revenge, or because they have suffered at the hands of other racists.
igorfrankensteen wrote:The idea that something like "reverse racism", as described comedically above, SHOULD be allowed until there is a sense of balance again, makes no sense to me. It calls for society to support persecution of the descendants of the persecutors, for as much time and as much destruction as is necessary to "equalize" the amount of history that has transpired, and only THEN, will said society agree that ALL racism is bad.
Mr.Samsa wrote:To illustrate it, being Irish means that you share some features of oppression with black culture, especially historically like the banning of your language in schools, stereotypes of your intelligence, being denied work, being treated as sub-human, etc. But that doesn't mean that when your skinny pasty white ass walks down the street at night, people will lock their car doors when they see you.
Mr.Samsa wrote:His set just refers to the problems associated with the concept of "reverse racism" with the idea being that racism requires privilege and power so minority groups can't be racist to dominant groups. If we wanted to take his logic to the extreme and apply it to the Irish, the conclusion we'd reach is that people can be racist against Irish people - which is something I thought was already well-accepted.
Animavore wrote:But seriously, this would happen in certain areas of Northern Ireland.
Animavore wrote:Mr.Samsa wrote:His set just refers to the problems associated with the concept of "reverse racism" with the idea being that racism requires privilege and power so minority groups can't be racist to dominant groups. If we wanted to take his logic to the extreme and apply it to the Irish, the conclusion we'd reach is that people can be racist against Irish people - which is something I thought was already well-accepted.
I think minorities can be racist toward the dominant groups. There is a group of African-Americans, I forget the name, who think that the solution to all the world's problems is to kill all the white people (because white people are all the world'sproblems).
The Nation of Islam have a reverse position to some Nazis, where the Nazis think that white people are "more evolved" than black people, the Nation of Islam think that the black man is the thoroughbred race while whites and others are crazy off-shoots, like dogs to wolves, I suppose.
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