Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#21  Postby The_Piper » Aug 22, 2020 2:40 pm

Yes, there is any free speech anymore.
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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#22  Postby Mike_L » Aug 22, 2020 2:40 pm

Also from the Wikipedia entry...
Funding and organization
Much of the funding for Project Veritas comes from anonymous donations through Donors Trust, a conservative, American nonprofit donor-advised fund backed by the Koch brothers, which according to its promotional materials, says that it will "keep your charitable giving private, especially gifts funding sensitive or controversial issues". Prominent donors have included the Trump Foundation, which donated $10,000 in May 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas#Funding_and_organization

...so it's a well-backed organisation with ample legitimacy, notwithstanding a few minor missteps by its founder.
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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#23  Postby SafeAsMilk » Aug 22, 2020 2:42 pm

The Times piece notes O'Keefe's and Prince's close links to the Trump administration, and details contributions such as a $1m transfer of funds from an undisclosed source to support their work. The findings were based in part on discovery documents in a case brought by the American Federation of Teachers, Michigan, which was infiltrated by Project Veritas.

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#24  Postby SafeAsMilk » Aug 22, 2020 2:44 pm

Also, you don't seem to know much about the Koch brothers :lol:
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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#25  Postby Mike_L » Aug 22, 2020 3:03 pm

If they're backers of Project Veritas, they can't be all bad. Shades of gray, and all that... they can even find common ground with George Soros once in a while.

At any rate, one doesn't need Project Veritas (good though they may be) to confirm the Leftist bias of Twitter...

Vox article:
Twitter is so liberal that its conservative employees ‘don’t feel safe to express their opinions,’ says CEO Jack Dorsey
“I don’t think that’s fair or right,” Dorsey says.

By Kurt Wagner
Updated Sep 14, 2018

One of the more popular criticisms right now against social media platforms like Twitter, Facebook and YouTube is that they’re supposedly biased against conservative viewpoints. U.S. President Donald Trump likes to tweet about it, and numerous members of Congress also believe that to be the case.

Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey — like his counterparts at Facebook and YouTube — has consistently said that his service isn’t biased.

But the people who build Twitter are biased, Dorsey admitted in an interview last month, saying out loud what everyone already knew: Twitter, like most tech companies in Silicon Valley, has a lot more left-leaning employees than right-leaners.

Twitter is so liberal, in fact, that conservative employees “don’t feel safe to express their opinions” within the company, Dorsey told NYU journalism professor Jay Rosen in a new interview published today on Recode Media.

“We have a lot of conservative-leaning folks in the company as well, and to be honest, they don’t feel safe to express their opinions at the company,” Dorsey said. “They do feel silenced by just the general swirl of what they perceive to be the broader percentage of leanings within the company, and I don’t think that’s fair or right.”
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https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17857622/twitter-liberal-employees-conservative-trump-politics
"Not fair or right". Yeah... lip service.
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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#26  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Aug 22, 2020 3:12 pm

Mike_L wrote:Also from the Wikipedia entry...
Funding and organization
Much of the funding for Project Veritas comes from anonymous donations through Donors Trust, a conservative, American nonprofit donor-advised fund backed by the Koch brothers, which according to its promotional materials, says that it will "keep your charitable giving private, especially gifts funding sensitive or controversial issues". Prominent donors have included the Trump Foundation, which donated $10,000 in May 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas#Funding_and_organization

...so it's a well-backed organisation with ample legitimacy, notwithstanding a few minor missteps by its founder.

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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#27  Postby felltoearth » Aug 22, 2020 3:40 pm

Jesus Mike. Stop digging.
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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#28  Postby felltoearth » Aug 22, 2020 3:49 pm

O’Keefe is a fucking loser who couldn’t run a sting if he was a bee. Conservatives know it and a duly embarrassed by him. Imagine what it takes to embarrass a Conservative enough to lose their support.

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O'Keefe was criticized for his failed sting, and The Washington Post was praised. Rod Dreher of The American Conservative praised the Post and called on conservative donors to stop giving money to O'Keefe's outfit.[163] Dan McLaughlin of the conservative National Review said that O'Keefe's sting was an "own goal" and that O'Keefe was doing a disservice to the conservative movement;[164] Jim Geraghty of the National Review made a similar assessment.[165] Byron York of The Washington Examiner said that O'Keefe's "idiocy" was "beyond boneheaded," and that "O'Keefe really ought to hang it up."[166] Ben Shapiro, the conservative editor in chief of The Daily Wire, said that the botched sting was "horrible, both morally and effectively."[166] Conor Friedersdorf of The Atlantic wrote, "If James O'Keefe respected the right-wing populists who make up the audience of Project Veritas ... he would tell them the truth about all of the organizations that he targets. Instead, Project Veritas operates in bad faith, an attribute it demonstrated again this week in the aftermath of its bungled attempt to trick The Washington Post."[167] Noah Rothman of the conservative magazine Commentary chastised O'Keefe for being exploitative of his audience: "No longer are institutions like Veritas dedicated to combating ignorance in their audience. They're actively courting it."[168]


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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#29  Postby SafeAsMilk » Aug 22, 2020 3:56 pm

Mike_L wrote:If they're backers of Project Veritas, they can't be all bad. .

Yeah, so long as they feed into your preferred narrative then they must be great :lol:
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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#30  Postby Mike_L » Aug 22, 2020 4:07 pm

Twitter exec moonlights as UK psy-ops warrior, but mainstream media declare ‘nothing to see here, move along’

1 Oct, 2019

The discovery that a senior Twitter executive is also a British Army psy-ops warrior qualifies as a bombshell in every way. So naturally, the UK press either ignored it, or tried to cover it up with the proverbial wet blanket.
Gordon MacMillan, whose editorial responsibilities at Twitter extend to Europe, Africa and the Middle East, is also a member of the 77th Brigade with the rank of captain or maybe higher, Middle East Eye reported on Monday.

The unit was established in 2015 to wage “non-lethal” propaganda war on Her Majesty’s enemies, giving the British military “the capability to compete in the war of narratives at the tactical level,” according to Chief of the Defence Staff General Nick Carter.

MacMillan may not be a very good psy-warrior, considering that he basically outed himself by mentioning his involvement with the 77th on LinkedIn, but the fact itself should have been newsworthy.

“If British mainstream media is genuinely interested in conducting public interest journalism, this will lead every newspaper tomorrow and every news bulletin tonight,” Irish journalist Bryan MacDonald tweeted on Monday.

Not surprisingly, that did not happen. Only a handful of outlets have touched the story so far – Financial Times, The Independent and Vice News, in addition to RT and Sputnik.
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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#31  Postby Svartalf » Aug 22, 2020 4:28 pm

SafeAsMilk wrote:Also, you don't seem to know much about the Koch brothers :lol:

Do I need to know anything beside the fact that they are filthy rich fascists?
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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#32  Postby The_Piper » Aug 22, 2020 4:37 pm

One of them is a skeleton now, I know that.
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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#33  Postby felltoearth » Aug 22, 2020 4:53 pm

Mike_L wrote:
Twitter exec moonlights as UK psy-ops warrior, but mainstream media declare ‘nothing to see here, move along’

1 Oct, 2019

The discovery that a senior Twitter executive is also a British Army psy-ops warrior qualifies as a bombshell in every way. So naturally, the UK press either ignored it, or tried to cover it up with the proverbial wet blanket.
Gordon MacMillan, whose editorial responsibilities at Twitter extend to Europe, Africa and the Middle East, is also a member of the 77th Brigade with the rank of captain or maybe higher, Middle East Eye reported on Monday.

The unit was established in 2015 to wage “non-lethal” propaganda war on Her Majesty’s enemies, giving the British military “the capability to compete in the war of narratives at the tactical level,” according to Chief of the Defence Staff General Nick Carter.

MacMillan may not be a very good psy-warrior, considering that he basically outed himself by mentioning his involvement with the 77th on LinkedIn, but the fact itself should have been newsworthy.

“If British mainstream media is genuinely interested in conducting public interest journalism, this will lead every newspaper tomorrow and every news bulletin tonight,” Irish journalist Bryan MacDonald tweeted on Monday.

Not surprisingly, that did not happen. Only a handful of outlets have touched the story so far – Financial Times, The Independent and Vice News, in addition to RT and Sputnik.
...

Full text at:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/470020-twitter-psyops-british-officer-media/


A quick Google shows the Independent and the Times reported on it. Please outline what you believe is happening here.
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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#34  Postby Mike_L » Aug 22, 2020 5:04 pm

felltoearth wrote:
[Reveal] Spoiler: compressed
Mike_L wrote:
Twitter exec moonlights as UK psy-ops warrior, but mainstream media declare ‘nothing to see here, move along’

1 Oct, 2019

The discovery that a senior Twitter executive is also a British Army psy-ops warrior qualifies as a bombshell in every way. So naturally, the UK press either ignored it, or tried to cover it up with the proverbial wet blanket.
Gordon MacMillan, whose editorial responsibilities at Twitter extend to Europe, Africa and the Middle East, is also a member of the 77th Brigade with the rank of captain or maybe higher, Middle East Eye reported on Monday.

The unit was established in 2015 to wage “non-lethal” propaganda war on Her Majesty’s enemies, giving the British military “the capability to compete in the war of narratives at the tactical level,” according to Chief of the Defence Staff General Nick Carter.

MacMillan may not be a very good psy-warrior, considering that he basically outed himself by mentioning his involvement with the 77th on LinkedIn, but the fact itself should have been newsworthy.

“If British mainstream media is genuinely interested in conducting public interest journalism, this will lead every newspaper tomorrow and every news bulletin tonight,” Irish journalist Bryan MacDonald tweeted on Monday.

Not surprisingly, that did not happen. Only a handful of outlets have touched the story so far – Financial Times, The Independent and Vice News, in addition to RT and Sputnik.
...

Full text at:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/470020-twitter-psyops-british-officer-media/


A quick Google shows the Independent and the Times reported on it.


Yes, they "reported" on it...

From the RT.com article:
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Moreover, both the Independent and FT left out some key facts from their reporting, such as the role of the 77th Brigade, or Twitter’s regular purges of “state-backed accounts,” or MacMillan’s interactions with the unit and promotion of its activities, noted Sputnik’s Kit Klarenberg.

“There's also no mention of MacMillan's extremely negative postings about Jeremy Corbyn and Labour – two targets of Integrity Initiative, with which 77th Brigade has a 'close, informal relationship'. Or the Institute for Statecraft's role in creating the unit. Of course,” Klarenberg tweeted, calling it an attempt to control the narrative.
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felltoearth wrote:
Please outline what you believe is happening here.

A repeat of this...
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Something similar happened in November 2018, when the Integrity Initiative and Institute for Statecraft were exposed as shadowy outfits conducting influence operations on social media on behalf of the UK government, targeting Russia even as London accused Moscow of doing just that. Again, the mainstream media either ignored the story, or reported it in such a fashion to tell the audience there was nothing to see there.

This becomes even more frightening when one considers that the Initiative and the Institute – as well as MacMillan – also engaged in domestic psy-ops, targeting the opposition Labour Party and its leader Jeremy Corbyn. It’s one thing to argue that info-warriors are a necessary evil to defend poor, innocent Britain from the big bad Russian bear – but partisan politics? Is nothing sacred?

Of all the Western outlets, only Vice News dared to ask the obvious question: what does MacMillan’s “side job” say about Twitter’s commitment to uncovering and stopping “disinformation campaigns” by governments – or does that only apply to certain governments, whose names don’t begin with “United”?

“If Twitter is only tackling disinfo campaigns of enemies of the UK and US governments, but not the UK and US governments themselves, then their work basically serves as a tool to these governments, rather than actually improving Twitter for everyone,” security researcher Mustafa al Bassam told Vice.
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-- https://www.rt.com/op-ed/470020-twitter-psyops-british-officer-media/
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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#35  Postby felltoearth » Aug 22, 2020 5:22 pm

Is it surprising that the British are running a counter intelligence/information program? I’m kinda like, yeah, that’s what the army does.
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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#36  Postby felltoearth » Aug 22, 2020 5:24 pm

Also, what is your evidence that Twitter isn’t “tackling US and UK disinfo campaigns?”

The article is JAQing off a fair bit. Maybe they should do some “investigative journalism.”
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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#37  Postby Thommo » Aug 22, 2020 5:29 pm

The_Piper wrote:Yes, there is any free speech anymore.


I agree.

Many people are often allowed to say things. Not quite everyone, everything or everywhere but many people can say many things in many places.
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#38  Postby laklak » Aug 22, 2020 5:35 pm

You can say all of the things some of the time, and some of the things all of the time, but you can't say all of the things all of the time.
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Re: Is there ANY freedom of speech any more?

#39  Postby Mike_L » Aug 22, 2020 6:01 pm

felltoearth wrote:Is it surprising that the British are running a counter intelligence/information program? I’m kinda like, yeah, that’s what the army does.

Sure, but if it's established that Twitter is a tool of governments (a willing tool, along with Facebook, Microsoft and Google) then the extent of its independence becomes questionable. Maybe it's then no better than (gasp!) RT.com!
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#40  Postby felltoearth » Aug 22, 2020 6:47 pm

Mike_L wrote:
felltoearth wrote:Is it surprising that the British are running a counter intelligence/information program? I’m kinda like, yeah, that’s what the army does.

Sure, but if it's established that Twitter is a tool of governments (a willing tool, along with Facebook, Microsoft and Google) then the extent of its independence becomes questionable. Maybe it's then no better than (gasp!) RT.com!

Is it though? One low level guy who has expertise in Russian disinformation who is a Reservist doesn’t make Twitter a “tool of the government.” Don’t know is you’ve been paying attention but western government corporatism doesn’t actually work that way.
It would be great to show your working though instead of just requoting an RT article and a “just asking questions” “expose” from Vice.
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