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Re: Marginalized sports

#21  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jul 21, 2019 10:06 pm

Tiddly winks anyone? They have world championships but never broadcasted.
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Re: Marginalized sports

#22  Postby OlivierK » Jul 21, 2019 11:01 pm

If an online betting company got involved, it could hit the big time yet.
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#23  Postby laklak » Jul 22, 2019 3:21 am

Antlion fighting. I wanted to start a Youtube channel. If you put two antlions together they fight to the death. Insect gladiators with pari-mutual wagering and the house gets 10%. Could paint their asses different colors, give them names, feed them special vitamins in their ants. I'm telling you, it could be the next WWF.
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Re: Marginalized sports

#24  Postby Cito di Pense » Jul 22, 2019 5:06 am

The canonical under-appreciated sport is Irish hurling; sadly, it's popular enough that it can't be considered marginalized. This is not least because St. Patrick's Day is celebrated with green beer all over the world. Frankly, whenever I hear somebody mention marginalization in sports, I reach for my pistol, because the person making a stink about it is never marginalized on the issue they're making a stink about. Three points to anyone who understands the deep connection between Irish hurling and this song (hint: it's not because the band are Irish):

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#25  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jul 22, 2019 5:34 am

It is far from marginalised in Ireland (both North and South) which is true of the other GAA sport; Irish football. Remember Camogie. Hurling for women and even that is not a marginalised sport.
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#26  Postby Cito di Pense » Jul 22, 2019 6:27 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:It is far from marginalised in Ireland (both North and South) which is true of the other GAA sport; Irish football. Remember Camogie. Hurling for women and even that is not a marginalised sport.


Nobody said Irish hurling was marginalized. At worst, it's under-appreciated in most places outside Ireland. I mean, how easy is it in the Netherlands to place bets on Irish hurling matches?
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#27  Postby Svartalf » Jul 22, 2019 9:06 am

Cito di Pense wrote:
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laklak wrote:I can't find Mongolian buzkashi on ESPN.

Buzkashi is not Mongolian, it's Afghan


Buzkashi? I thought that was what you got by lacing your oatmeal with hashish.

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#28  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jul 22, 2019 9:26 am

Cito di Pense wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:It is far from marginalised in Ireland (both North and South) which is true of the other GAA sport; Irish football. Remember Camogie. Hurling for women and even that is not a marginalised sport.


Nobody said Irish hurling was marginalized. At worst, it's under-appreciated in most places outside Ireland. I mean, how easy is it in the Netherlands to place bets on Irish hurling matches?


Not I am afraid. Of course betting is illegal. Goes with all sport. We dont have "Bookies". One of the British bookies companies tried it when it thought it could get round the law but failed. Dont get me wrong the Dutch do like a flutter but Calvinism always frowned upon it. We have the Lotto and the Totto. The latter is a sort of football pool but without the permutations. You mark who is going to win but the winnings are small. We have a national lottery which I have a standing order for.
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#29  Postby aban57 » Jul 22, 2019 10:41 am

From here :

The History of Betting in the Netherlands

Gambling has been intertwined in Dutch culture for centuries. As far back as the 18th Century, there is evidence of organised betting. The Nederlandse Staatsloterij (national state lottery) was first established in 1726, making it the oldest running state lottery in the world.

By the early 1900’s, there was a complete ban on sports betting and all other gaming activity, apart from the state lottery. This was in place until 1961 when sports betting in the Netherlands was legalised as a second state monopoly.

Gradually the government relaxed their stance on gambling and introduced new laws which allowed horse racing betting through a totalizer system. Furthermore, lottery and casino games were legalised, albeit through a monopoly and by the mid 1970’s, the citizens of the Netherlands were able to visit the first casino.

In order to regulate all of the gambling within the country, the Netherlands Gaming Control Board was formed in 1996. The purpose of this new entity was to control the six betting monopolies in the country (All of the different formats of gambling that were legal).

The Dutch government felt that by having a set company running each different facet of the betting market, they would be able to maintain a handle on the level of gambling, and the monitor practices of the firms selected.

The explosion of the internet and the subsequent rise to prominence of online betting sites presented a new conundrum for not only the Dutch government, but those in power all around the world who wished to strictly regulate their citizens gambling activities.

In a similar move to the United States, the Netherlands attempted to pass laws to ensure that banks would have to reject transactions requested by online betting companies not located in the country. However, these blocks were ignored by the banks who suggested they were unlawful.

As it stands, there are no legal online casinos in Holland (those on land are run by a solitary company Holland Casino). The aggressive approach of the regulatory authorities to online operators targeting Dutch clients was witnessed last year.

Dutch gaming regulator Kansspelautoriteit (KSA) fined ONISAC Ltd and Mansion Online Casino Ltd a combined total of €150k because their websites offered Dutch language options and accepted payment through the Dutch e-commerce system iDeal. A similar fine was imposed on Carribean based Global Stars, who were also considered to be actively courting Dutch custom.

There is however light at the end of the tunnel, and the Dutch authorities appeared to have succumbed to a combination of pressure from the EU and from the realisation that individuals will use foreign websites regardless, so they might as well benefit from the tax revenue that can be obtained from legalising online gambling activities.

Holland Casino has struggled and has been loss making in the face of foreign competition, and this has initiated action from the government. Legislation to allow online betting in Holland was adopted by the Dutch parliament in 2016 but it hasn’t been approved by the Dutch Senate.

Progress to implement legal online betting in the Netherlands is expected to be slow with no clear changes expected soon.
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Re: Marginalized sports

#30  Postby Cito di Pense » Jul 22, 2019 11:22 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:It is far from marginalised in Ireland (both North and South) which is true of the other GAA sport; Irish football. Remember Camogie. Hurling for women and even that is not a marginalised sport.


Nobody said Irish hurling was marginalized. At worst, it's under-appreciated in most places outside Ireland. I mean, how easy is it in the Netherlands to place bets on Irish hurling matches?


Not I am afraid. Of course betting is illegal. Goes with all sport. We dont have "Bookies". One of the British bookies companies tried it when it thought it could get round the law but failed. Dont get me wrong the Dutch do like a flutter but Calvinism always frowned upon it. We have the Lotto and the Totto. The latter is a sort of football pool but without the permutations. You mark who is going to win but the winnings are small. We have a national lottery which I have a standing order for.


I have to say that pickings appear slim at the moment. From what I've read, there is a lot of resistance to it which is breaking down slowly, mainly due to how the internet works:

https://www.sbo.net/country/netherlands/

The sports betting monopoly in the Netherlands is run by De Lotto. Bets can be placed on sporting events in the shops and through the Toto website.

Compared to most bookmakers, the number of markets is very limited, with betting only available on football, hockey, cycling, formula one, basketball, baseball and tennis.

This is likely indicative of the low levels of trade conducted through the Dutch owned website.


Online betting is appealing only to true gambling addicts, I'd guess. The above link also states this (which might have changed in the meantime, since several years ago):

Legislation to allow online betting in Holland was adopted by the Dutch parliament in 2016 but it hasn’t been approved by the Dutch Senate.
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#31  Postby I'm With Stupid » Jul 22, 2019 6:39 pm

OlivierK wrote:If an online betting company got involved, it could hit the big time yet.

People will watch any old shit if they can put a bet on it though. I'm still convinced that horse racing doesn't have a single fan who's actually interested in the sport. I've never seen anyone deliberately watch a horse race when they didn't have a bet on it.
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#32  Postby Fallible » Jul 22, 2019 9:30 pm

Plenty do. For some, it’s the love of horses and watching them race that gets them into betting. You’re right, though, some people will bet on anything - even computer generated horses.
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Re: Marginalized sports

#33  Postby jamest » Jul 24, 2019 12:14 am

It can be fun to gamble one's money if one has the sense not to do it too often and not spend too much. For instance, whilst still living (though not for much longer) on the south coast my family loves the occasional opportunity to waste-away say £5 in an amusement arcade on the 2 pence machines. More often than not, we get to enjoy these establishments for over 30 minutes and the wife and kids enjoy the sweets earned from the tokens.
I think we'll all miss those 2 pence machines, for sure. Does that mean we're gambling addicts? Or entertainment addicts? Who knows. Go ask your local expert.
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#34  Postby viocjit » Jul 25, 2019 12:21 pm

Do you know what is CONIFA World Football Cup ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONIFA_World_Football_Cup
Do you know what are NatWest International Island Games ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Games
Do you know what is Muratti Vase ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muratti_Vase
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