Marijuana appreciation/education/information thread

[Seventh Child]

Whilst I personally hate things like marijuana and tobacco (even alcohol!), I hate the prohibition even more.

Legalize it and tax it.

I'm hoping New Zealand is heading towards a move like this. In the last few years it did the same to prostitution.

[crank]

One of the sadder aspects of the drug laws is the complete denial of reality in the legislating of these laws. Harm is blown all out of proportion, science is almost completely ignored, no argument is brooked. Sounds just like a fucking religion doesn't it?

I took a substance abuse class once, (court ordered(maybe not once( )) where they spent a whole hour discussing how horrible marijuana was on the body. There were actually photos of brain tissue that was all blackened, the tissue rendered useless due to smoking pot. Seriously. When I objected that that was totally bogus, made up shit, I was told I was ignorant of the facts.

Folks, just in case you didn't know, heroin has no known serious deleterious systemic effects. Heroin. Try saying that and you usually get laughed at.

Same for MDMA (Xtasy), LSD, mushrooms(Psilocybin), peyote (mescaline).

Facts, who needs 'em?

[michael^3]

Brain damage causes by pot was not detected in the past, because the tools used to study the brain were too crude.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 175105.htm

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Brain damage causes by pot was not detected in the past, because the tools used to study the brain were too crude.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 175105.htm

Did you forget to read the article?

The researchers caution that the study is preliminary and does not demonstrate that marijuana use causes the brain abnormalities.

What I was told was that use of marijuana as an adult would lead to gross tissue damage and brain disorder, not these subtle effects that take years of study to even determine if there is an effect. Thank you for helping make my point, you demonstrate exactly the kind of deliberate mis-information, deliberate misconstruing of clear facts, and the deliberate bogus interpretation of everything that are the anti-druggies constant and only MO.

[michael^3]

Brain damage causes by pot was not detected in the past, because the tools used to study the brain were too crude.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 175105.htm

Did you forget to read the article?

The researchers caution that the study is preliminary and does not demonstrate that marijuana use causes the brain abnormalities.

Well, it is a cause for concern.

What I was told was that use of marijuana as an adult would lead to gross tissue damage and brain disorder, not these subtle effects that take years of study to even determine if there is an effect.

It's only in these times that scientists begin to understand how the brain works at all. In the past, the only thing scientists could say that they couldn't measure any damage. Of course, they never added "but hey, we hardly understand a thing about the brain anyway, and our tools are basically as subtle as sledgehammers", because scientists are arrogant like that.

Thank you for helping make my point, you demonstrate exactly the kind of deliberate mis-information, deliberate misconstruing of clear facts, and the deliberate bogus interpretation of everything that are the anti-druggies constant and only MO.

Take a look at Ozzy Osbourne and tell me that drugs aren't bad.

[michael^3]

Oh, and pot is addictive as hell too.

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What I was told was that use of marijuana as an adult would lead to gross tissue damage and brain disorder, not these subtle effects that take years of study to even determine if there is an effect.

It's only in these times that scientists begin to understand how the brain works at all. In the past, the only thing scientists could say that they couldn't measure any damage. Of course, they never added "but hey, we hardly understand a thing about the brain anyway, and our tools are basically as subtle as sledgehammers", because scientists are arrogant like that.

Look, I was in a drug/alcohol abuse treatment class, they had papers with photos showing massive tissue degradation in the brain, saying marijuana did that to brains, no subtle, difficult to detect effect. I don't have a clue where you are coming from, but it sure ain't from an attempt to understand what I said.

Thank you for helping make my point, you demonstrate exactly the kind of deliberate mis-information, deliberate misconstruing of clear facts, and the deliberate bogus interpretation of everything that are the anti-druggies constant and only MO.

Take a look at Ozzy Osbourne and tell me that drugs aren't bad.

Once again, proving my point about deliberate twisting of the facts. I clearly said drugs can be bad, duh! Everyone who uses drugs doesn't end up like Ozzie, and how do you know it was drugs? Maybe he's like that naturally. Look at William S. Burroughs, if you have money and take care of yourself, you can maintain a long term, heavy drug addiction with little deleterious effects. You can't do that with alcohol, trust me, I know that.

[cakrit]

Oh, and pot is addictive as hell too.

Psychologically, not physically. You could say the same thing about chocolate, sex and video games.

[natselrox]

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:coffee:

Ah, a druggie I see. Coffee v v addictive! I get a little wobbly without my 4-5 pots a day.

[natselrox]

As a part of our Community Medicine course, we are supposed to visit a family and look after its health problems and similar things. The family that has been allotted to us has 2 male members, both smoke pot frequently. Tomorrow we are supposed to go to them and advise against the usage of marijuana. This started a debate on the long term effects of pot-smoking in the class. And there was our resident snitch and the ma'am versus yours truly. Tomorrow I'm going with the documents to prove that marijuana is more or less harmless and without any long-term consequences. I'm so going to encourage those guys to smoke pot!

[crank]

As a part of our Community Medicine course, we are supposed to visit a family and look after its health problems and similar things. The family that has been allotted to us has 2 male members, both smoke pot frequently. Tomorrow we are supposed to go to them and advise against the usage of marijuana. This started a debate on the long term effects of pot-smoking in the class. And there was our resident snitch and the ma'am versus yours truly. Tomorrow I'm going with the documents to prove that marijuana is more or less harmless and without any long-term consequences. I'm so going to encourage those guys to smoke pot!

[michael^3]

Oh, and pot is addictive as hell too.

Psychologically, not physically.

What happens in the brain is supposedly all physical, so I'm not sure what the difference is...

You could say the same thing about chocolate, sex and video games.

[obscured by clouds]

Oh, and pot is addictive as hell too.

Psychologically, not physically.

What happens in the brain is supposedly all physical, so I'm not sure what the difference is...

You could say the same thing about chocolate, sex and video games.

So is the chemical reaction with chocolate, sex or anything that is pleasurable. So ANYTHING can be addicting mentally, however there is no physically addiction with Marijuana.

[michael^3]

Oh, and pot is addictive as hell too.

Psychologically, not physically.

What happens in the brain is supposedly all physical, so I'm not sure what the difference is...

You could say the same thing about chocolate, sex and video games.

So is the chemical reaction with chocolate, sex or anything that is pleasurable. So ANYTHING can be addicting mentally, however there is no physically addiction with Marijuana.

That doesn't mean anything. All mental processes are physical.

I think the addictiveness of marijuana is underestimated. Often by people who are addicted. I've known a few. And they always say "yeah, I'm gonna cut back a bit, soon". But that "soon" has a way of postponing itself.

[obscured by clouds]

That doesn't mean anything. All mental processes are physical.

I think the addictiveness of marijuana is underestimated. Often by people who are addicted. I've known a few. And they always say "yeah, I'm gonna cut back a bit, soon". But that "soon" has a way of postponing itself.

You don't seem to understand the difference. It means everything. Of course all metal processes are physical, that is a given. However unlike let's say Crack, there is no physical dependency for marijuana. That is a fact.

Mental/physical addictions are completely different. And remember your experience or a friend of a friends experience of a drug is not a measure of that drug.

I say the same about Soda drinks....."yeah, I'm gonna cut back a bit, soon"..should soda be banned?

[King David]

Oh, and pot is addictive as hell too.

Psychologically, not physically.

What happens in the brain is supposedly all physical, so I'm not sure what the difference is...

You could say the same thing about chocolate, sex and video games.

So is the chemical reaction with chocolate, sex or anything that is pleasurable. So ANYTHING can be addicting mentally, however there is no physically addiction with Marijuana.

That doesn't mean anything. All mental processes are physical.

I think the addictiveness of marijuana is underestimated. Often by people who are addicted. I've known a few. And they always say "yeah, I'm gonna cut back a bit, soon". But that "soon" has a way of postponing itself.

The difference is stark. If you are addicted to heroin, alcohol, benzodiazepines, barbiturates, or amphetamines, ceasing use will result in serious withdrawal symptoms or delirium tremens which can cause serious physiological effects in the body such as pain, vomiting, seizures, coma and death. Cannabis causes no such physical symptoms upon cessation of use. You may not want to quit, just as you may not want to quit drinking tea in the morning, but if you do quit, your body won't have a major malfunction. That is the difference between physical and psychological addiction.

[Comte de St.-Germain]

As a part of our Community Medicine course, we are supposed to visit a family and look after its health problems and similar things. The family that has been allotted to us has 2 male members, both smoke pot frequently. Tomorrow we are supposed to go to them and advise against the usage of marijuana. This started a debate on the long term effects of pot-smoking in the class. And there was our resident snitch and the ma'am versus yours truly. Tomorrow I'm going with the documents to prove that marijuana is more or less harmless and without any long-term consequences. I'm so going to encourage those guys to smoke pot!

I remember a study showing that five joints a day after 25 years showed effects. Imagine drinking five alcohol consumptions per day after 25 years. If the person still has a functioning liver, he will certainly be unable to keep up with just five - his addiction will have spiralled out of control. Most likely? The guy is living in a ditch, having lost everything.

Anyway, I don't have any definite advice to give about marijuana. There are risks, and they are high risk, but low probability. I don't have the answers, I know what others offer, and it's not that simple, so banning the stuff is ridiculous by principle - no matter how badly it turns out and how it destroys communities.

What do Al Qaeda, the Taliban and youth gangs have in common? They make money and can function as they do because drugs are illegal.

[Gallstones]

My mother tells a really funny story. My brother had told her to stay out of his room. And being the passive type, she did. Then one day after having done laundry and rather than set it outside his door, decided to do the nice motherly thing and put his laundry away for him. She goes in and opens the closet where she is surprised to find it is full of plants all under a purple light. Now she is curious because horticulture seems an odd hobby for a teenager and he doesn't seem to know what he's doing. So she waits for my brother to come home. He gets home and she asks why he's growing plants in his closet and doesn't he know that he can't grow plants that way as they need to be out in the sun? He tells her that he can't put them out in the sun as they are pot plants.

Being the excitable type she got upset. Panicked in fact, and imagined the police would be knocking at the door any minute. She demanded that he get rid of them immediately. She called my grandfather, her father--who was a really wonderful person and I miss him--for advice. My grandfather happened to own some property in Sylmar (Calif) that was undeveloped at that time and told my brother he could move the plants up there. Which he did and they had a long healthy life until he harvested them. Mom is happy, brother is happy.

Unfortunately I was in Germany at the time so I didn't get to share. I however, was adequately supplied with a different cannabis product.

[obscured by clouds]

I remember a study showing that five joints a day after 25 years showed effects. Imagine drinking five alcohol consumptions per day after 25 years. If the person still has a functioning liver, he will certainly be unable to keep up with just five - his addiction will have spiralled out of control. Most likely? The guy is living in a ditch, having lost everything.

5 joints a day? That must be some really shitty weed man. I have heard about that stuff and was unfortunate to have had it when I was a kid. Thankfully I had connections. It's funny to read people talking about something that you know from experience not to be accurate. Thankfully marijuana has progressed where a joint in the morning will ruin your plans in the evening.

Hummm I'm 35 and I started to smoke oh well about 12. So lets see 12 - 35 = 23 years. OK I got two years. "spiralled out of control" I did drop out of college since I could start making good money. 10 years later and it has payed off I am still doing what I love to do and I make great money in my industry. A pot head I am, but my need for material things is greater. So being financially stable enough I can be frivolous with my spending might be the reason I am a pot head.

I never had to make a chose between a bag of weed and anything else. If I did, it would suck I would have to re-look at my life and figure it out again.

However most people who do marijuana heavily also do other drugs. I do not, I don't even like wine but will force myself to have a good time, socially. So when I hear such claims, well it's BS. You can OD on water, but not Marijuana. Weed is not going to kill you. And as with long term health effects...well duh as with anything there is.

Perspective, education moderation and each to their own.