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Political and religious ideology.

#1  Postby angelo » Jan 09, 2020 9:13 am

Trump: Since 1979, world has tolerated Iran’s terrorist adventurism, “Those days are over” Source. Jihadwatch. UK: Jeremy Corbyn praised “inclusive,” “tolerant” Iran at pro-Soleimani London Islamic Centre



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#2  Postby aufbahrung » Jan 09, 2020 9:35 am

From a Commie point of view Islam is a great achievement. A one world government as the goal, a brotherhood of men where all are equal slaves to the one true God, everyone who disagrees killed. A head-screw ideology that allows no dissent or rational interpretation. What not to like? Islam is Communism by other means.
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#3  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 09, 2020 10:08 am

Not really seeing anything but smear by association. Moosavi said X, Corbyn is guilty of supporting X by very loose association.

Also, source? Breitbart? HA!

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#4  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 09, 2020 10:10 am

Islam is Communism by other means.


A line most frequently vacantly regurgitated by extremist right wing Christians.
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#5  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 09, 2020 10:11 am

This thread is vacant extreme right wing screed from top to bottom.
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#6  Postby Cito di Pense » Jan 09, 2020 10:12 am

aufbahrung wrote:From a Commie point of view Islam is a great achievement. A one world government as the goal, a brotherhood of men where all are equal slaves to the one true God, everyone who disagrees killed. A head-screw ideology that allows no dissent or rational interpretation. What not to like? Islam is Communism by other means.


The objection seems to be that dissent is not allowed. I'm having trouble seeing what sort of dissent to this criticism is permitted. You can tell me all about "rational interpretation" but it's still an interpretation. I mean, we all get the joke about "one true God". Do better.
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#7  Postby Cito di Pense » Jan 09, 2020 10:16 am

Spearthrower wrote:This thread is vacant extreme right wing screed from top to bottom.


The funny thing here is that not all right-wing extremists look like you'd think they should. Ask yourself what dissent is permitted. The implication that I should pick a side is clear.

Spearthrower wrote:This thread is vacant extreme right wing screed from top to bottom.


That is also clear. I don't want to live like the Iranians do. That's my dissent.
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#8  Postby Hermit » Jan 09, 2020 10:36 am

The article quoted in the opening post comes from that well-known vendor of Islamophobic conspiracy theories, Jihad Watch. It's a rewrite of a similar article published by Breitbart two days earlier, which starts with the exact same sentence.
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#9  Postby Hermit » Jan 09, 2020 10:37 am

aufbahrung wrote:Islam is Communism by other means.

Just like socialists are fascists. Go on, say it. You know you want to.
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#10  Postby Cito di Pense » Jan 09, 2020 10:46 am

Hermit wrote:The article quoted in the opening post comes from that well-known vendor of Islamophobic conspiracy theories, Jihad Watch. It's a rewrite of a similar article published by Breitbart two days earlier, which starts with the exact same sentence.


I don't want to live like the Iranians live. Is that Islamophobic? Especially, given that there are considerable numbers of Iranians who don't want to live the way they're living now.

It's almost beside the point that the assassination of an Iranian general leading whatever wherever won't help them or us.
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#11  Postby Fallible » Jan 09, 2020 11:26 am

I preferred angelo when he wasn’t here.
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#12  Postby Hermit » Jan 09, 2020 11:49 am

Cito di Pense wrote:I don't want to live like the Iranians live.

You and me both, cobber.

Cito di Pense wrote:Is that Islamophobic?

Let me reply with a rhetorical question: Does not wanting to live like the Iranians live mean fear of Islam or Muslims?

Besides, I did not refer to Islamophobia. I mentioned Islamophobic conspiracy theories. Not at all the same thing, is it?
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#13  Postby Hermit » Jan 09, 2020 11:54 am

Fallible wrote:I preferred angelo when he wasn’t here.

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#14  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Jan 09, 2020 11:58 am

Probably true.
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#15  Postby Cito di Pense » Jan 09, 2020 12:07 pm

Hermit wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:I don't want to live like the Iranians live.

You and me both, cobber.

Cito di Pense wrote:Is that Islamophobic?

Let me reply with a rhetorical question: Does not wanting to live like the Iranians live mean fear of Islam or Muslims?

Besides, I did not refer to Islamophobia. I mentioned Islamophobic conspiracy theories. Not at all the same thing, is it?


No, it's not, and it's helpful to point that out whenever it comes up. I think islam, like other religions, is idiotic, and that is not an unusual sentiment, here. It's also not the same as fear, which would tempt me to attack people.

I rub shoulders with lots (and I mean lots) of Muslims on the street, mainly women and girls in head scarves. I think the get-up is idiotic, but recognize that expressing their culture is important to them and is not an attempt to intimidate me, or so I hope. Christians wearing crucifixes on chains around their necks is idiotic, too, but less obtrusive. One's religion need not obtrude in public spaces unless obtrusiveness is part of the deal.
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#16  Postby Fallible » Jan 09, 2020 12:28 pm

Hermit wrote:
Fallible wrote:I preferred angelo when he wasn’t here.

Without posters like him, JJ, JamesT and to a lesser extent a few others this forum would soon die for a lack of traffic.


I haven’t said I don’t want him here. I said I preferred him when he wasn’t.
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#17  Postby Hermit » Jan 09, 2020 12:34 pm

Fallible wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Fallible wrote:I preferred angelo when he wasn’t here.

Without posters like him, JJ, JamesT and to a lesser extent a few others this forum would soon die for a lack of traffic.

I haven’t said I don’t want him here.

Who said you did?
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#18  Postby Fallible » Jan 09, 2020 12:38 pm

Who said the forum wouldn’t die through lack of traffic if he wasn’t here?
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#19  Postby Hermit » Jan 09, 2020 12:40 pm

Play with someone else, Fallible.
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#20  Postby Alan B » Jan 09, 2020 12:42 pm

Angelo wrote:Corbyn is deeply anti-Semitic and anti-Israel, and in addition to that, he is an open supporter of jihad terrorists. He has referred to members of Hamas and Hizballah as his “friends.” Hamas has tweeted: “We salute Jeremy Corbyn’s supportive positions to the Palestinians.”

I don't conflate anti-Semitism and anti-Israel. I think that Corbyn is anti-Israel and to some extent I agree with him regarding their actions in expelling the original inhabitants of Palestine. But anti-Semitic? I don't think so.

But prove me wrong, not by what others have opined but by what he has actually said. :dunno:
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