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Re: Ratz is finished and I'm finished with Ratz.

#41  Postby Hermit » Apr 10, 2018 8:55 am

Animavore wrote:I'm officially done with Rationalia. Its lax rules and no banning policy, wich seemed like a good idea at the time, have come back to bite it on the arse. I guess these rules were ok when the site was largely atheists with fairly moderate opinions, we could tolerate or ignore the odd odious person, but for the last while it has become almost a personal blog for one Alt Right dope as membership dwindles, now today a straight up Nazi has joined. My guess is more will follow and Rationalia will be hoisted by its own petard, unable to do anything about it. The remaining members will leave and, unfunded, it will be allowed to close.

Meh. Lassic was a drive-by. After 22 posts in three days, a few of which were completely or heavily redacted and a 24 hour suspension he ceased his activities, though he still logs in occasionally.

Personally, I don't mind the presence of right wing nuts. It prevents Rationalia becoming an echo chamber and gives me opportunities to study the enemies' arguments first hand in a way it is difficult to do just reading reports by and/or of them in the usual sites. Forty Two (a sock of Coito (sic) ergo sum) and Seth are particularly useful for that because, agree with them or not, they are quite articulate. Unfortunately Seth has chosen not to re-engage after his latest suspension. He clearly got the message that one of our moderators was gunning for him when he slapped a six month holiday on him a few days after he returned from a two week period of enforced inactivity. He was a good sample of rabidly and extremely right wing libertarians, while 42 is a Lumpentrumpster who combines socially liberal with extreme Friedmanite views and an unquenchable hatred of the Democratic Party, and Hillary Clinton doubly so.

Other right wingers are just more or less unbalanced and inchoate screamers, and thus easy to ignore or throw the occasional brickbat at. We are also graced by rants from Dennis Markuze from time to time. This is where my scroll wheel gets a workout.

Seth, by the way, has inadvertently been outed a few months ago when anew member appeared telling us he found Rationalia when he was googling for the origin of the expression "wayback machine fallacy". I checked him out. A truckload of details Seth divulged about his personal life matches with the name of the person the new member mentioned. The name, Seth Richardson, by the way, is not his own. It's his grandfather's.
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#42  Postby Animavore » Apr 10, 2018 9:15 am

Meh. Sexist, racist, misogynistic, destructive, and poisonous writing is still that regardless of how well it is articulated.

42 died to me the moment he came out as a supporter of that inveterate scumbag who is sliming up the White House. From that point onwards he's had no choice but to be an apologist for sexual harassment, rape, xenophobia, making fun of the disabled, environmental destruction, climate change denial, Nazi publications like Breitbart, conspiracy sites like InfoWars, and just sheer, gross incompetence. And so forth...

I can't be around that shite.
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#43  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Apr 10, 2018 9:16 am

Hermit wrote: Forty Two (a sock of Coito (sic) ergo sum) and Seth are particularly useful for that because, agree with them or not, they are quite articulate.

What exactly do you mean by 'articulate' because what I've read from 42 (both here and on Ratz), he uses a lot of pompous and intelligent sounding words to say very little and/or make imaginary claims.
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#44  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Apr 10, 2018 9:17 am

Animavore wrote:Meh. Sexist, racist, misogynistic, destructive, and poisonous writing is still that regardless of how well it is articulated.

:this:
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#45  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Apr 10, 2018 9:19 am

Animavore wrote:42 died to me the moment he came out as a supporter of that inveterate scumbag who is sliming up the White House.


How did you tolerate him before that?
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#46  Postby Sendraks » Apr 10, 2018 9:19 am

Most of what 42 writes is simple "whataboutism" which is boring.

I do like that he gets taken to task on Ratz (I do lurk there from time to time).
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#47  Postby Animavore » Apr 10, 2018 9:27 am

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:
Animavore wrote:42 died to me the moment he came out as a supporter of that inveterate scumbag who is sliming up the White House.


How did you tolerate him before that?

42 wasn't always that way. It wasn't until he went down the Alt-Right, men-are-so-victimised hole that he went that way.

It's like the way our own, in-house Trump supporter was well loved before he started becoming an apologist for the personification of mankind's worst instincts.
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#48  Postby Animavore » Apr 10, 2018 9:31 am

Sendraks wrote:Most of what 42 writes is simple "whataboutism" which is boring.

I do like that he gets taken to task on Ratz (I do lurk there from time to time).

There's something commendable about going around in circles with someone who has argued themselves into a corner; it's just not for me. I don't see Trump and the Republicans as people who need to be reasoned with. Just destroyed at the polls and their backwards and damaging brand washed off the face of the planet before they wreak more damage.
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#49  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Apr 10, 2018 9:46 am

Animavore wrote:
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:
Animavore wrote:42 died to me the moment he came out as a supporter of that inveterate scumbag who is sliming up the White House.


How did you tolerate him before that?

42 wasn't always that way. It wasn't until he went down the Alt-Right, men-are-so-victimised hole that he went that way.

It's like the way our own, in-house Trump supporter was well loved before he started becoming an apologist for the personification of mankind's worst instincts.


I've always wondered why people thought so highly of SP. His bad behaviour here didn't sneak up on everyone. He was always like that.

I have no idea how people overlook bad behaviour from someone until that person comes out and supports Trump. Then it's all so obvious!
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#50  Postby Animavore » Apr 10, 2018 9:54 am

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:
Animavore wrote:42 died to me the moment he came out as a supporter of that inveterate scumbag who is sliming up the White House.


How did you tolerate him before that?

42 wasn't always that way. It wasn't until he went down the Alt-Right, men-are-so-victimised hole that he went that way.

It's like the way our own, in-house Trump supporter was well loved before he started becoming an apologist for the personification of mankind's worst instincts.


I've always wondered why people thought so highly of SP. His bad behaviour here didn't sneak up on everyone. He was always like that.

I have no idea how people overlook bad behaviour from someone until that person comes out and supports Trump.

I don't recall bad behaviour from 42 when he was Coito. This is going back a few years. He disappeared for a while and when he came back he was suddenly, rabidly anti-feminist and had a rather creepy obsession with what college kids were up to. This behaviour and his bad arguments did not go unnoticed, and he was already set up to be a Trump supporter by the time Trump oozed his way on to the political scene.
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#51  Postby Hermit » Apr 10, 2018 10:12 am

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Hermit wrote:Forty Two (a sock of Coito (sic) ergo sum) and Seth are particularly useful for that because, agree with them or not, they are quite articulate.

What exactly do you mean by 'articulate'...

No matter how wrong their respective platforms they are arguing from are, both Seth and Coito/42 explain their positions well.
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#52  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Apr 10, 2018 12:02 pm

Hermit wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Hermit wrote:Forty Two (a sock of Coito (sic) ergo sum) and Seth are particularly useful for that because, agree with them or not, they are quite articulate.

What exactly do you mean by 'articulate'...

No matter how wrong their respective platforms they are arguing from are, both Seth and Coito/42 explain their positions well.

Ah, I see. In that case I agree with Ani.
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#53  Postby felltoearth » Apr 10, 2018 12:09 pm

Hermit wrote:No matter how wrong their respective platforms they are arguing from are, both Seth and Coito/42 explain their positions well.

You know, it’s funny. If it was discovered a “liberal” college student got a pass and ultimately a degree because they explained themselves despite not doing it very well and from largely indefensible positions – and well, gosh darn that’s good enough – 42 would be all over that snowflake.
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#54  Postby Hermit » Apr 10, 2018 12:13 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Hermit wrote:Forty Two (a sock of Coito (sic) ergo sum) and Seth are particularly useful for that because, agree with them or not, they are quite articulate.

What exactly do you mean by 'articulate'...

No matter how wrong their respective platforms they are arguing from are, both Seth and Coito/42 explain their positions well.

Ah, I see. In that case I agree with Ani.
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I agree with Animavore too.
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#55  Postby Hermit » Apr 10, 2018 12:17 pm

felltoearth wrote:
Hermit wrote:No matter how wrong their respective platforms they are arguing from are, both Seth and Coito/42 explain their positions well.

You know, it’s funny. If it was discovered a “liberal” college student got a pass and ultimately a degree because they explained themselves despite not doing it very well and from largely indefensible positions – and well, gosh darn that’s good enough – 42 would be all over that snowflake.

No matter how well 42 explains his position, it is just plain wrong. So, no pass.
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#56  Postby Scot Dutchy » Apr 10, 2018 12:18 pm

I just ignore him most of the time.
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#57  Postby Animavore » Apr 10, 2018 12:18 pm

I had to get out mainly because I'm on a political break. My presence on the Trump thread here, too*, has dropped off significantly. I'm not even reading the news at the moment. I'm afraid I let myself become far too emotionally charged by it. I need to re-evaluate things and figure out how to move forward more positively.

(to be honest, I'm bored shitless of it now)
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#58  Postby Robert_S » Apr 10, 2018 10:19 pm

Animavore wrote:
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:

How did you tolerate him before that?

42 wasn't always that way. It wasn't until he went down the Alt-Right, men-are-so-victimised hole that he went that way.

It's like the way our own, in-house Trump supporter was well loved before he started becoming an apologist for the personification of mankind's worst instincts.


I've always wondered why people thought so highly of SP. His bad behaviour here didn't sneak up on everyone. He was always like that.

I have no idea how people overlook bad behaviour from someone until that person comes out and supports Trump.

I don't recall bad behaviour from 42 when he was Coito. This is going back a few years. He disappeared for a while and when he came back he was suddenly, rabidly anti-feminist and had a rather creepy obsession with what college kids were up to. This behaviour and his bad arguments did not go unnoticed, and he was already set up to be a Trump supporter by the time Trump oozed his way on to the political scene.


While I was a mod, the only time CES ever did a personal attack was when he called exi5entialist dumb. We were set to give him the usual warning when Pappa waltzed in and made a big fucking deal about a simple 1st warning that was a simple routine action.

Then a simple clear cut case turned into a big fucking deal for no reason other than Pappa wanted to pave the way for a drama shitstorm that ended up with a bunch of bad blood and a schizm that gave birth to MindRomp.
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#59  Postby The_Piper » Apr 10, 2018 10:56 pm

He said izm. :tehe:
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#60  Postby Robert_S » Apr 11, 2018 12:01 am

It really sucks because the forum that I had kinda relied on to for being social had turned sour. I mean, I traveled to one end of the US and then to another end; just to meet up with people from Ratz. It was something special once and I'm still kinda bitter about it to this day.

It was also a fucking nightmare sometimes. Charlou and her shit stirring, Pappa and his stupid rape joke thread, me trying to figure out a way to not have the entire mess destroy about half my social support network... It's pathetic I know, to have an internet forum turn into a coping mechanism for my loneliness, but for a while it worked so well.
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