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Social cohesion - Homogenous or various ethnicities

#1  Postby Rainbow Simon » Nov 07, 2020 10:58 am

Which kind of society is more likely to be socially cohesive?

An ethnically/culturally homogenous society?
A society of many different ethicities/cultures?
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#2  Postby Rainbow Simon » Nov 07, 2020 10:58 am

Sorry duplicate post.
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#3  Postby Hermit » Nov 07, 2020 11:13 am

Rainbow Simon wrote:Which kind of society is more likely to be socially cohesive?

An ethnically/culturally homogenous society?
A society of many different ethicities/cultures?

Rainbow Simon, this is the second thread you started about an issue without giving us your take on it. If you want to initiate discussions, why don't you offer your opinion on them to start the ball rolling?
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#4  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 07, 2020 11:46 am

Hermit wrote:
Rainbow Simon wrote:Which kind of society is more likely to be socially cohesive?

An ethnically/culturally homogenous society?
A society of many different ethicities/cultures?

Rainbow Simon, this is the second thread you started about an issue without giving us your take on it. If you want to initiate discussions, why don't you offer your opinion on them to start the ball rolling?

:this: Also define 'socially cohesive'.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#5  Postby Hermit » Nov 07, 2020 12:19 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Rainbow Simon wrote:Which kind of society is more likely to be socially cohesive?

An ethnically/culturally homogenous society?
A society of many different ethicities/cultures?

Rainbow Simon, this is the second thread you started about an issue without giving us your take on it. If you want to initiate discussions, why don't you offer your opinion on them to start the ball rolling?

:this: Also define 'socially cohesive'.

Social cohesion is not necessarily a positive attribute. It led to Germany's utter destruction in 1945.
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#6  Postby SafeAsMilk » Nov 07, 2020 1:29 pm

Oh gee, we've only had this thread 50 times before.
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#7  Postby Thommo » Nov 07, 2020 6:02 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:define 'socially cohesive'.
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#8  Postby OlivierK » Nov 07, 2020 8:09 pm

Rainbow Simon wrote:Which kind of society is more likely to be socially cohesive?

An ethnically/culturally homogenous society?
A society of many different ethicities/cultures?

In any sufficiently large human population, there's going to be a high degree of diversity on high number of variables: intelligence, capacity for empathy, intro/extroversion, political tendency, creative ability, gender, sexual orientation...

In my experience, cultures that can deal with those sorts of diversity and achieve cohesiveness do not have that cohesiveness threatened by cultural/ethnic diversity.

Ethnically/culturally homogeneous societies on the other hand often seem to have poor track records on handling diversity generally. When homogeneity is not just a matter of circumstance, but is actively valued or promoted, then intolerance of minorities seems to rise, to the detriment of anyone who belongs to one. Having a sharply culturally defined "us" and "them" doesn't do wonders for social cohesion between groups within that "cultural us" who are diverse in other ways.

Apologies for the serious answer if you were actually just trying to poke a nest with a stick.
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#9  Postby laklak » Nov 08, 2020 3:37 am

Is this some kind of trick question?
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#10  Postby Rainbow Simon » Nov 08, 2020 9:11 pm

Hermit wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Rainbow Simon wrote:Which kind of society is more likely to be socially cohesive?

An ethnically/culturally homogenous society?
A society of many different ethicities/cultures?

Rainbow Simon, this is the second thread you started about an issue without giving us your take on it. If you want to initiate discussions, why don't you offer your opinion on them to start the ball rolling?

:this: Also define 'socially cohesive'.

Social cohesion is not necessarily a positive attribute. It led to Germany's utter destruction in 1945.


How so?
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#11  Postby campermon » Nov 08, 2020 9:41 pm

Rainbow Simon wrote:Which kind of society is more likely to be socially cohesive?

An ethnically/culturally homogenous society?
A society of many different ethicities/cultures?


Are there any other choices :ask:
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#12  Postby Cito di Pense » Nov 08, 2020 9:58 pm

Rainbow Simon wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Rainbow Simon, this is the second thread you started about an issue without giving us your take on it. If you want to initiate discussions, why don't you offer your opinion on them to start the ball rolling?

:this: Also define 'socially cohesive'.

Social cohesion is not necessarily a positive attribute. It led to Germany's utter destruction in 1945.


How so?


Well, there you go then. You've turned the corner in recognizing that some points are not worth arguing, and that your original question

Rainbow Simon wrote:Which kind of society is more likely to be socially cohesive?


was obvious trolling. I don't think even you will argue that 'social cohesion' is possible except in rather small social groups and that you'll further argue that 'ethnic identity' is a myth manipulated politically by elites who have gained power.
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#13  Postby Rainbow Simon » Nov 08, 2020 10:01 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
Rainbow Simon wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
:this: Also define 'socially cohesive'.

Social cohesion is not necessarily a positive attribute. It led to Germany's utter destruction in 1945.


How so?


Well, there you go then. You've turned the corner in recognizing that some points are not worth arguing, and that your original question

Rainbow Simon wrote:Which kind of society is more likely to be socially cohesive?


was obvious trolling. I don't think even you will argue that 'social cohesion' is possible except in rather small social groups.


You're saying that social cohesion led to Germany's destruction. I thought perhaps you might elaborate.
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#14  Postby Cito di Pense » Nov 08, 2020 10:03 pm

Rainbow Simon wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
Rainbow Simon wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Social cohesion is not necessarily a positive attribute. It led to Germany's utter destruction in 1945.


How so?


Well, there you go then. You've turned the corner in recognizing that some points are not worth arguing, and that your original question

Rainbow Simon wrote:Which kind of society is more likely to be socially cohesive?


was obvious trolling. I don't think even you will argue that 'social cohesion' is possible except in rather small social groups.


You're saying that social cohesion led to Germany's destruction. I thought perhaps you might elaborate.


No, actually, I am not saying that. Somebody else said that. Try to keep a coherent view of your own point, including who said what and to whom, whatever your point might turn out to be. So far, it's clear that you're just here to stir up other folks, and you don't have a point to make.
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#15  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 08, 2020 10:56 pm

Rainbow Simon wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Rainbow Simon, this is the second thread you started about an issue without giving us your take on it. If you want to initiate discussions, why don't you offer your opinion on them to start the ball rolling?

:this: Also define 'socially cohesive'.

Social cohesion is not necessarily a positive attribute. It led to Germany's utter destruction in 1945.


How so?

How's about you provide a coherent definition to begin with?
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#16  Postby Rainbow Simon » Nov 08, 2020 10:59 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Rainbow Simon wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
:this: Also define 'socially cohesive'.

Social cohesion is not necessarily a positive attribute. It led to Germany's utter destruction in 1945.


How so?

How's about you provide a coherent definition to begin with?


Yes. Socially, pertaining to society, and cohesive, pertaining to cohesion. Social cohesion.
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#17  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 08, 2020 11:05 pm

Rainbow Simon wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Rainbow Simon wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Social cohesion is not necessarily a positive attribute. It led to Germany's utter destruction in 1945.


How so?

How's about you provide a coherent definition to begin with?


Yes. Socially, pertaining to society, and cohesive, pertaining to cohesion. Social cohesion.

That's not a definition.
That's two tautologies.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#18  Postby Rainbow Simon » Nov 08, 2020 11:09 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Rainbow Simon wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Rainbow Simon wrote:

How so?

How's about you provide a coherent definition to begin with?


Yes. Socially, pertaining to society, and cohesive, pertaining to cohesion. Social cohesion.

That's not a definition.
That's two tautologies.


You have no idea what the term social cohesion means? None at all?
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#19  Postby SafeAsMilk » Nov 08, 2020 11:12 pm

Rainbow Simon wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Rainbow Simon wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
How's about you provide a coherent definition to begin with?


Yes. Socially, pertaining to society, and cohesive, pertaining to cohesion. Social cohesion.

That's not a definition.
That's two tautologies.


You have no idea what the term social cohesion means? None at all?

He has no idea what you mean by social cohesion. And your squirming to avoid giving a straight answer to this is incredibly telling.

Back to troll school with you.
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#20  Postby Rainbow Simon » Nov 08, 2020 11:15 pm

SafeAsMilk wrote:
Rainbow Simon wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Rainbow Simon wrote:

Yes. Socially, pertaining to society, and cohesive, pertaining to cohesion. Social cohesion.

That's not a definition.
That's two tautologies.


You have no idea what the term social cohesion means? None at all?

He has no idea what you mean by social cohesion. And your squirming to avoid giving a straight answer to this is incredibly telling.

Back to troll school with you.


I would be quite happy to hear his answer based on his own definition.
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