The tale of our ecological footprints as best we can convey

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Re: The tale of our ecological footprints as best we can convey

#21  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 02, 2019 1:33 pm

Keep It Real wrote: I have my electricity supplied through a non green tariff.


Just signed up to Scottish Power for my leky, maybe a little bit dearer but 100% offshore wind generated!!!
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#22  Postby surreptitious57 » Jun 02, 2019 2:03 pm

I do collect plastic bags but it is enviromentally acceptable so no harm is being done
As long as they are either put to pratical use or disposed of safely there is no problem

I also collect empty milk cartons but as with the bags I use them practically and dispose of them safely
I have to collect empty ones because nowadays I only drink black tea so I have no need to buy full ones

I use them for rubbish compression - I only use one a week on average so it is not really too big a space
You can save an awful lot in waste by not having a wife or children - I could not do this if I had a family

I also like as much empty space inside my house as possible which is odd given that I used to hoard as well
My hall and stairs and landing have nothing on them at all and the rooms are as uncluttered as they can be
Some say books should be removed because they cause clutter but I dont listen to the philistines who say this

None of this is me consciously trying to reduce my global footprint even though it has that unintended consequence
At my age not hanging onto physical things too much is good preparation for the inevitable and its good mentally too
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#23  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 02, 2019 2:13 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:I do collect plastic bags but it is enviromentally acceptable so no harm is being done
As long as they are either put to pratical use or disposed of safely there is no problem



Not quite sure how that follows.

You might get more uses out of them so the waste is comparatively less profligate, but they'll still eventually fail and then, presumably, you throw them out, no?

As for disposing of them safely - do you have some plastic-eating bacteria cultures in your house or something?
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#24  Postby surreptitious57 » Jun 02, 2019 2:27 pm

I was convinced to sign up to Scottish Power once but then had to switch back almost immediately
I now instinctively avoid anyone trying to get money off me in public including of course chuggers
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#25  Postby laklak » Jun 02, 2019 2:32 pm

Mrs. Lak collects plastic bags, then cuts them up and spins them into "plarn" (plastic yarn) and uses them to crochet things like bags and table mats. There's a shitton of them in the garage at the moment.
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#26  Postby surreptitious57 » Jun 02, 2019 2:35 pm

The bags are put out for collection and then presumably go to a land fill
But what happens after I put them out is not actually my responsibility

I do however for entirely non environmental reasons try to compact my rubbish as much as possible
The more compact or compressed it is the happier I am because that is just how my mind functions
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#27  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 02, 2019 2:37 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:The bags are put out for collection and then presumably go to a land fill
But what happens after I put them out is not actually my responsibility



If that's the case, then no one's responsible for any of the damage their activities have on the environment.
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#28  Postby felltoearth » Jun 02, 2019 2:38 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:I do collect plastic bags but it is enviromentally acceptable so no harm is being done
As long as they are either put to pratical use or disposed of safely there is no problem

I also collect empty milk cartons but as with the bags I use them practically and dispose of them safely
I have to collect empty ones because nowadays I only drink black tea so I have no need to buy full ones

I use them for rubbish compression - I only use one a week on average so it is not really too big a space
You can save an awful lot in waste by not having a wife or children - I could not do this if I had a family

I also like as much empty space inside my house as possible which is odd given that I used to hoard as well
My hall and stairs and landing have nothing on them at all and the rooms are as uncluttered as they can be
Some say books should be removed because they cause clutter but I dont listen to the philistines who say this

None of this is me consciously trying to reduce my global footprint even though it has that unintended consequence
At my age not hanging onto physical things too much is good preparation for the inevitable and its good mentally too

Sorry, just found the verb “collect” to be vague. It sounded like a hobby.
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#29  Postby surreptitious57 » Jun 02, 2019 2:46 pm

I like breaking things up and disposing of them as cheaply as possible
I have an old settee buried at the bottom of my garden for example

Over here a skip costs around I40 pound which is probably about 220 dollars
So if you can dispose of stuff for free then that is definitely the better option

I still cut my grass by shears but I shall have to get an electric trimmer one day I suppose
My garden is about 40 feet by I0 feet and its just grass but I still like doing it the old way
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#30  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 02, 2019 2:52 pm

I do collect plastic bags but it is enviromentally acceptable so no harm is being done


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The bags are put out for collection and then presumably go to a land fill
But what happens after I put them out is not actually my responsibility


I think it might be a good idea surr to return to the first statement and dwell on it a little bit.

Isn't putting plastic bags in the collection to go to land-fill basically what everyone does?

And isn't this precisely one of the things causing harm to the environment?

I'm not sure if you're connecting the dots here.
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#31  Postby surreptitious57 » Jun 02, 2019 3:05 pm

I keep my rubbish in terms of actual volume to an absolute minimum
But I cannot do anything about the fact that some of it will be plastic
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#32  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 02, 2019 3:06 pm

Yes folks, surr did in fact just say that not having a wife lowers his carbon footprint. I'm taking a break from this forum again, at least one person here knows the reason and it has to do with my health. TTFN Ratskep.
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#33  Postby surreptitious57 » Jun 02, 2019 3:19 pm


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#34  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 02, 2019 3:21 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:I keep my rubbish in terms of actual volume to an absolute minimum
But I cannot do anything about the fact that some of it will be plastic



Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting you should not use plastic, or that you're a bad person or anything like that. It's just that you seemed to indicate that your plastic usage does no harm because you 'collect it' which just turned out to be binning it, and that's not your responsibility. I think it's an obviously problematic idea, so I am challenging you to think about it. How is that different than anyone else? And isn't that exactly the problem which is leading us to catastrophic plastic pollution?
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#35  Postby Animavore » Jun 02, 2019 3:35 pm

I live in a moss-insulated shoebox and feast off the mosquitos. I drink water from the leaves and use recycled electricity.
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#36  Postby felltoearth » Jun 02, 2019 3:39 pm

Animavore wrote:I live in a moss-insulated shoebox and feast off the mosquitos. I drink water from the leaves and use recycled electricity.

Yes, but do you keep your heartrate below 100bpm so as not to exhale excess CO2 unnecessarily?
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#37  Postby Animavore » Jun 02, 2019 4:02 pm

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Animavore wrote:I live in a moss-insulated shoebox and feast off the mosquitos. I drink water from the leaves and use recycled electricity.

Yes, but do you keep your heartrate below 100bpm so as not to exhale excess CO2 unnecessarily?

I simply don't breathe.
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#38  Postby Animavore » Jun 02, 2019 4:06 pm

Not that I'm knocking these individual efforts to reduce our carbon, I do it myself, but unless there is a top-down change, starting with government policy, our efforts are for naught.

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#39  Postby tuco » Jun 02, 2019 8:36 pm

I was elected to represent Pittsburg, not Paris - D. Trump, from the vid.

“The Report also tells us that it is not too late to make a difference, but only if we start now at every level from local to global,” he said. “Through ‘transformative change’, nature can still be conserved, restored and used sustainably – this is also key to meeting most other global goals. By transformative change, we mean a fundamental, system-wide reorganization across technological, economic and social factors, including paradigms, goals and values.”

https://www.ipbes.net/news/Media-Releas ... Assessment

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but unless down-top change, governments will do shit.

So who did you vote for?
I voted <insert party committed to "transformative change">.
How about your efforts, your contribution to "transformative change"?
What are you talking about, I do want I want, its enough I voted.
Are you an idiot?
Well yes. I need the government to impose on myself.


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It's the industry .. https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/source ... -emissions

From the vid:

Bike to work. Go vegan. Stop washing your hair. It’s not going to move the needle on climate change.


You need to support this claim. I mean, if 29% comes from transportation, how come biking to work is not significant?

And again CO2 is only a part of the problem. Gonna repeat this till you'll accept it.
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#40  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 02, 2019 10:45 pm

tuco wrote:
And again CO2 is only a part of the problem. Gonna repeat this till you'll accept it.



Right, but if you're going to be pedantic, then you also need to be more specific.

There are many problems with human global society's impact on the planet and biodiversity, not just one, and they're not all interconnected beyond the population factor.

C02 is overwhelmingly the problem when it comes to atmospheric climate change; sure, there are other factors within the topic of atmospheric changes too like methane emissions, deforestation, changes in the Earth's albedo etc., but C02 is the most pressing issue of the lot both in terms of its effect and the speed at which we need to respond.

We've already crossed the Rubicon.
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