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Re: Trump COVID-19

#201  Postby The_Piper » May 19, 2020 3:44 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Just had a numpty on FB tell me that heallthcare workers arent at risk because they're trained in dealing with vapour-spread viruses. :picard:

It's ok to be ignorant. What's not ok is talking about something you're ignorant about, as if you know something special.
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Re: Trump COVID-19

#202  Postby The_Piper » May 19, 2020 3:47 pm

Seabass wrote::rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


I meant to comment on this, that the still shot shows his tiny palms and, maybe it's an artifact of the video recording, but they appear to be as smooth as a baby's face. This "alpha male" has probably never worked a day in his life.
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Re: Trump COVID-19

#203  Postby Thomas Eshuis » May 19, 2020 4:43 pm

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Thomas Eshuis wrote:Just had a numpty on FB tell me that heallthcare workers arent at risk because they're trained in dealing with vapour-spread viruses. :picard:

It's ok to be ignorant. What's not ok is talking about something you're ignorant about, as if you know something special.

I tried to point out the error in his argument by making a comparison to soldiers and fire-fighters, to which they responded with 'that's the canned response' and 'that's not analogous, to be analogous it would have to be that soldiers to train to use grenades even-though they still risk blowing themselves up'. :roll:
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Re: Trump COVID-19

#204  Postby Seabass » May 20, 2020 8:21 pm

Republicans gonna Republican. :lol:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/19/national-guard-coronavirus-267514
More than 40,000 National Guard members currently helping states test residents for the coronavirus and trace the spread of infections will face a “hard stop” on their deployments on June 24 — just one day shy of many members becoming eligible for key federal benefits, according to a senior FEMA official.

The official outlined the Trump administration’s plans on an interagency call on May 12, an audio version of which was obtained by POLITICO. The official also acknowledged during the call that the June 24 deadline means that thousands of members who first deployed in late March will find themselves with only 89 days of duty credit, one short of the 90-day threshold for qualifying for early retirement and education benefits under the Post-9/11 GI bill.

The looming loss of crucial frontline workers, along with questions about whether the administration is shortchanging first responders, would require a delicate messaging strategy, the official — representing FEMA’s New England region — told dozens of colleagues on the interagency call.

“We would greatly benefit from unified messaging regarding the conclusion of their services prior to hitting the 90-day mark and the retirement benefit implications associated with it,” the official said.
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Re: Trump COVID-19

#205  Postby The_Piper » May 20, 2020 8:31 pm

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Re: Trump COVID-19

#206  Postby theropod_V_2.0 » May 20, 2020 8:46 pm

Who-raw

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Re: Trump COVID-19

#207  Postby Seabass » May 21, 2020 1:00 am

Inside Trump’s coronavirus meltdown

When the history is written of how America handled the global era’s first real pandemic, March 6 will leap out of the timeline. That was the day Donald Trump visited the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. His foray to the world’s best disease research body was meant to showcase that America had everything under control. It came midway between the time he was still denying the coronavirus posed a threat and the moment he said he had always known it could ravage America.

Shortly before the CDC visit, Trump said “within a couple of days, [infections are] going to be down to close to zero”. The US then had 15 cases. “One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” A few days afterwards, he claimed: “I’ve felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.” That afternoon at the CDC provides an X-ray into Trump’s mind at the halfway point between denial and acceptance.

We now know that Covid-19 had already passed the breakout point in the US. The contagion had been spreading for weeks in New York, Washington state and other clusters. The curve was pointing sharply upwards. Trump’s goal in Atlanta was to assert the opposite.

Wearing his “Keep America Great” baseball cap, the US president was flanked by Robert Redfield, head of the CDC, Alex Azar, the US secretary of health and human services, and Brian Kemp, governor of Georgia. In his 47-minute interaction with the press, Trump rattled through his greatest hits.

He dismissed CNN as fake news, boasted about his high Fox News viewership, cited the US stock market’s recent highs, called Washington state’s Democratic governor a “snake” and admitted he hadn’t known that large numbers of people could die from ordinary flu. He also misunderstood a question on whether he should cancel campaign rallies for public health reasons. “I haven’t had any problems filling [the stadiums],” Trump said.

What caught the media’s attention were two comments he made about the disease. There would be four million testing kits available within a week. “The tests are beautiful,” he said. “Anybody that needs a test gets a test.”

Ten weeks later, that is still not close to being true. Fewer than 3 per cent of Americans had been tested by mid-May. Trump also boasted about his grasp of science. He cited a “super genius” uncle, John Trump, who taught at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and implied he inherited his intellect. “I really get it,” he said. “Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability.” Historians might linger on that observation too.

What the headlines missed was a boast that posterity will take more seriously than Trump’s self-estimated IQ, or the exaggerated test numbers (the true number of CDC kits by March was 75,000). Trump proclaimed that America was leading the world. South Korea had its first infection on January 20, the same day as America’s first case, and was, he said, calling America for help. “They have a lot of people that are infected; we don’t.” “All I say is, ‘Be calm,’” said the president. “Everyone is relying on us. The world is relying on us.”

He could just as well have said baseball is popular or foreigners love New York. American leadership in any disaster, whether a tsunami or an Ebola outbreak, has been a truism for decades. The US is renowned for helping others in an emergency.

In hindsight, Trump’s claim to global leadership leaps out. History will mark Covid-19 as the first time that ceased to be true. US airlifts have been missing in action. America cannot even supply itself.

South Korea, which has a population density nearly 15 times greater and is next door to China, has lost a total of 259 lives to the disease. There have been days when America has lost 10 times that number. The US death toll is now approaching 90,000.

What has gone wrong? I interviewed dozens of people, including outsiders who Trump consults regularly, former senior advisers, World Health Organization officials, leading scientists and diplomats, and figures inside the White House. Some spoke off the record.

Again and again, the story that emerged is of a president who ignored increasingly urgent intelligence warnings from January, dismisses anyone who claims to know more than him and trusts no one outside a tiny coterie, led by his daughter Ivanka and her husband, Jared Kushner – the property developer who Trump has empowered to sideline the best-funded disaster response bureaucracy in the world.

People often observed during Trump’s first three years that he had yet to be tested in a true crisis. Covid-19 is way bigger than that. “Trump’s handling of the pandemic at home and abroad has exposed more painfully than anything since he took office the meaning of America First,” says William Burns, who was the most senior US diplomat, and is now head of the Carnegie Endowment.

“America is first in the world in deaths, first in the world in infections and we stand out as an emblem of global incompetence. The damage to America’s influence and reputation will be very hard to undo.”

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Re: Trump COVID-19

#208  Postby Seabass » May 21, 2020 3:26 am

The President of the United States of America has no idea what "per capita" means.


TRUMP: “When you say per capita, there’s many per capitas. It’s like per capita relative to what? But you can look at just about any category and we’re really at the top”

US testing and death rate per capita is worse than other industrialized countries:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-tests-deaths-scatter-with-comparisons

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Re: Trump COVID-19

#209  Postby The_Piper » May 21, 2020 6:10 am

I'd like to say I'm surprised, but that ended long ago now. To paraphrase Morgan Freeman's character from the movie Seven, one of my favorites: "if Trump's head should split open and aliens fly out, I want you to have expected it."

Same with this. We used to wonder how low he could go. He passed the event horizon 3 years ago. Physicists say we'd never be able to tell from outside of a black hole, but they're wrong.
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Re: Trump COVID-19

#210  Postby Seabass » May 21, 2020 7:55 am

So instead of trying to save lives, Republicans are just going to lie about the number of deaths instead.

Florida scientist was fired for 'refusing to manipulate' COVID-19 data, she said

The scientist who created Florida's COVID-19 data portal wasn't just removed from her position on May 5, she was fired on Monday by the Department of Health, she said, for refusing to manipulate data.

Rebekah Jones said in an email to FLORIDA TODAY that she single-handedly created two applications in two languages, four dashboards, six unique maps with layers of data functionality for 32 variables covering a half a million lines of data. Her objective was to create a way for Floridians and researchers to see what the COVID-19 situation was in real time.

Then, she was dismissed.

"I worked on it alone, sixteen hours a day for two months, most of which I was never paid for, and now that this has happened I'll probably never get paid for," she wrote in an email, confirming that she had not just been reassigned on May 5, but fired from her job as Geographic Information Systems manager for the Florida Department of Health.

After FLORIDA TODAY first reported Jones' removal from her position in charge of the Florida COVID-19 Data and Surveillance Dashboard she created, she confirmed, as reported by CBS-12 in West Palm Beach that she was fired because she was ordered to censor some data, but refused to "manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen."

She provided no further details.

In an email last Friday to researchers and other data users, Jones warned that with her removal changes were likely coming to the accessibility and transparency of the dashboard data.

"They are making a lot of changes. I would advise being diligent in your respective uses of this data," she wrote.

Researchers who saw the email reacted with shock and dismay, suggesting it could be evidence that the Gov. Ron De Santis' government was censoring information to support the case for re-opening Florida.


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Re: Trump COVID-19

#211  Postby Thomas Eshuis » May 21, 2020 8:16 am

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/donald-trump-says-us-topping-world-coronavirus-cases-is-a-badge-of-honour-2232367

Donald Trump Says US Topping World Coronavirus Cases Is A "Badge Of Honour"

"I look at that as, in a certain respect, as being a good thing because it means our testing is much better," Donald Trump said on Tuesday at the White House as he hosted his first Cabinet meeting since the COVID-19 outbreak began.
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Re: Trump COVID-19

#212  Postby Seabass » May 21, 2020 6:59 pm

The Trump administration is saying increased security on the U.S.-Mexico border is necessary to prevent the coronavirus' spread. As a result, more than 900 migrant children were deported in March and April shortly after they reached the border -- much more quickly than normal, and without standard safeguards observed. John Yang talks to Caitlin Dickerson of The New York Times.

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#213  Postby Seabass » May 21, 2020 8:54 pm

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Re: Trump COVID-19

#214  Postby Thomas Eshuis » May 22, 2020 10:23 am

Seabass wrote:

Some of those people really don't understand the concept of 'but'. Especially those who say: "We should save every life" or a variation thereof.
*Edit. Also don't understand the concept of 'Goes without saying."
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Trump COVID-19

#215  Postby The_Piper » May 22, 2020 2:38 pm

If something goes without saying, it means it should be obvious to everyone and not relevant to the point being made.
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Re: Trump COVID-19

#216  Postby Thomas Eshuis » May 22, 2020 3:09 pm

The_Piper wrote:If something goes without saying, it means it should be obvious to everyone and not relevant to the point being made.

I meant the Fox News people don't understand the concept.
Because if it goes without saying, they'd not feel the need to say it over and over and over and over again...
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Re: Trump COVID-19

#217  Postby The_Piper » May 22, 2020 3:46 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
The_Piper wrote:If something goes without saying, it means it should be obvious to everyone and not relevant to the point being made.

I meant the Fox News people don't understand the concept.
Because if it goes without saying, they'd not feel the need to say it over and over and over and over again...

Oh ok. :lol: I wasn't sure what you meant. You write perfect English but it might not be your first language. :)
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Re: Trump COVID-19

#218  Postby Thomas Eshuis » May 22, 2020 4:35 pm

The_Piper wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
The_Piper wrote:If something goes without saying, it means it should be obvious to everyone and not relevant to the point being made.

I meant the Fox News people don't understand the concept.
Because if it goes without saying, they'd not feel the need to say it over and over and over and over again...

Oh ok. :lol: I wasn't sure what you meant. You write perfect English but it might not be your first language. :)

It's not and I was to lazy to add 'They' before 'Also don't understand understand the concept of 'Goes without saying'. :thumbup:
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Re: Trump COVID-19

#219  Postby jamest » May 27, 2020 2:26 am

Thomas, ever been to Brighton?

That was a serious question. I strongly suspect that you'd love the place and I'm making the suggestion for your own wellbeing. I like you Thomas!
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Re: Trump COVID-19

#220  Postby Macdoc » May 27, 2020 2:33 am

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