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Re: Trump COVID-19

#281  Postby Seabass » Jul 31, 2020 11:26 pm

Animavore wrote:Jesus fuck!

Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert.

That logic may have swayed Kushner. “It was very clear that Jared was ultimately the decision maker as to what [plan] was going to come out,” the expert said.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07 ... w2U8oOmbOA

Republicans are literally killing us by the refrigerated truckload and still they have the support of almost half the electorate. :rage:
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Re: Trump COVID-19

#282  Postby The_Piper » Aug 01, 2020 4:00 am

There's an oldie I like, it goes
Dumb dumb dumb dumb,
dumb yah boobie,
dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
dumb ya boobie dumb,
Yada ya da-ah.
Well you're dumb dumb dahling,
stick it uo your anus,
dumb dumb dahling,
shove it up yah bottom
dumb dumb dahling
take a fucking crap, and leave me alo-own. :shifty:
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#283  Postby The_Piper » Aug 02, 2020 2:12 am

Louis Gohmert is trying his hardest to please for dear leader, even if it kills him.
I am taking #Hydroxychloroquine to treat my coronavirus diagnosis. It is what was decided as the best course of action between my doctor and me--not by government bureaucrats. How long until the tech tyrants censor this tweet?

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Re: Trump COVID-19

#284  Postby Seabass » Aug 02, 2020 5:08 am

It's crazy to think that Louie Gohmert almost unwittingly von Stauffenberged Air Force One. Oh man, he was SOOO close. He could have been an American hero! :sigh:
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#285  Postby The_Piper » Aug 02, 2020 2:47 pm

We just can't be that lucky. :lol: :waah:
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#286  Postby Seabass » Aug 09, 2020 10:35 pm

The Cult of Selfishness Is Killing America
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/opinion/us-republicans-coronavirus.html

America’s response to the coronavirus has been a lose-lose proposition.

The Trump administration and governors like Florida’s Ron DeSantis insisted that there was no trade-off between economic growth and controlling the disease, and they were right — but not in the way they expected.

Premature reopening led to a surge in infections: Adjusted for population, Americans are currently dying from Covid-19 at around 15 times the rate in the European Union or Canada. Yet the “rocket ship” recovery Donald Trump promised has crashed and burned: Job growth appears to have stalled or reversed, especially in states that were most aggressive about lifting social distancing mandates, and early indications are that the U.S. economy is lagging behind the economies of major European nations.

So we’re failing dismally on both the epidemiological and the economic fronts. But why?

On the face of it, the answer is that Trump and allies were so eager to see big jobs numbers that they ignored both infection risks and the way a resurgent pandemic would undermine the economy. As I and others have said, they failed the marshmallow test, sacrificing the future because they weren’t willing to show a little patience.

And there’s surely a lot to that explanation. But it isn’t the whole story.

For one thing, people truly focused on restarting the economy should have been big supporters of measures to limit infections without hurting business — above all, getting Americans to wear face masks. Instead, Trump ridiculed those in masks as “politically correct,” while Republican governors not only refused to mandate mask-wearing, but they prevented mayors from imposing local mask rules.

Also, politicians eager to see the economy bounce back should have wanted to sustain consumer purchasing power until wages recovered. Instead, Senate Republicans ignored the looming July 31 expiration of special unemployment benefits, which means that tens of millions of workers are about to see a huge hit to their incomes, damaging the economy as a whole.

So what was going on? Were our leaders just stupid? Well, maybe. But there’s a deeper explanation of the profoundly self-destructive behavior of Trump and his allies: They were all members of America’s cult of selfishness.

You see, the modern U.S. right is committed to the proposition that greed is good, that we’re all better off when individuals engage in the untrammeled pursuit of self-interest. In their vision, unrestricted profit maximization by businesses and unregulated consumer choice is the recipe for a good society.

Support for this proposition is, if anything, more emotional than intellectual. I’ve long been struck by the intensity of right-wing anger against relatively trivial regulations, like bans on phosphates in detergent and efficiency standards for light bulbs. It’s the principle of the thing: Many on the right are enraged at any suggestion that their actions should take other people’s welfare into account.

This rage is sometimes portrayed as love of freedom. But people who insist on the right to pollute are notably unbothered by, say, federal agents tear-gassing peaceful protesters. What they call “freedom” is actually absence of responsibility.

Rational policy in a pandemic, however, is all about taking responsibility. The main reason you shouldn’t go to a bar and should wear a mask isn’t self-protection, although that’s part of it; the point is that congregating in noisy, crowded spaces or exhaling droplets into shared air puts others at risk. And that’s the kind of thing America’s right just hates, hates to hear.

Indeed, it sometimes seems as if right-wingers actually make a point of behaving irresponsibly. Remember how Senator Rand Paul, who was worried that he might have Covid-19 (he did), wandered around the Senate and even used the gym while waiting for his test results?

Anger at any suggestion of social responsibility also helps explain the looming fiscal catastrophe. It’s striking how emotional many Republicans get in their opposition to the temporary rise in unemployment benefits; for example, Senator Lindsey Graham declared that these benefits would be extended “over our dead bodies.” Why such hatred?

It’s not because the benefits are making workers unwilling to take jobs. There’s no evidence that this is happening — it’s just something Republicans want to believe. And in any case, economic arguments can’t explain the rage.

Again, it’s the principle. Aiding the unemployed, even if their joblessness isn’t their own fault, is a tacit admission that lucky Americans should help their less-fortunate fellow citizens. And that’s an admission the right doesn’t want to make.

Just to be clear, I’m not saying that Republicans are selfish. We’d be doing much better if that were all there were to it. The point, instead, is that they’ve sacralized selfishness, hurting their own political prospects by insisting on the right to act selfishly even when it hurts others.

What the coronavirus has revealed is the power of America’s cult of selfishness. And this cult is killing us.
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#287  Postby Seabass » Aug 09, 2020 11:43 pm

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/august-8-2020
Today’s announcement that Trump was providing economic relief through executive action after Congress failed to pass a coronavirus bill was an attempt to drive a narrative that will give Trump an issue for the upcoming election.

The story is this: On May 15, the House of Representatives, controlled by Democrats, passed a $3 trillion coronavirus relief bill, known as the HEROES Act, short for Health and Economic Recovery Omnibus Emergency Solutions Act. It provided relief for workers, protected renters, shored up cratering state budgets, funded emergency changes to the 2020 election, and supported hospitals and schools.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) refused to take it up. In an interview on the Fox News Channel, he said "We will let you know when we think the time is right to begin to move again.” That time was apparently not until the end of July, just as federal funding for a supplement to unemployment benefits ran out and a moratorium on evictions ended.

Then, with unemployed Americans facing a wall and the economy facing a cliff, Senate Republicans began to negotiate their own coronavirus relief package, but it became clear quickly that they could not agree. Senators up for reelection wanted popular measures that would help their constituents; others opposed further federal spending. Unable to come up with a plan, McConnell bowed out of further negotiations.

That left House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) negotiating with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and White House chief of staff Mark Meadows. The administration officials proposed $1 trillion in aid, and cutting out state support and election funding, among other things. When the Democrats yesterday offered to compromise on a $2 trillion bill, the White House rejected it out of hand.

This opened the way for Trump to step in.

This evening, from his golf club at Bedminster, New Jersey, Trump signed three memorandums and one executive order that bypass Congress to provide the relief the White House wanted. Trump said these measures would provide economic relief for struggling Americans by providing temporary benefits, deferring taxes, and by ending evictions.

It is not clear the measures will do any such thing.

The Constitution establishes that only the House of Representatives can initiate a revenue bill, so Trump cannot come up with new money. Tonight’s memo on relief relies on Trump’s emergency powers. It calls for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to use about $70 billion from the Department of Homeland Security’s Disaster Relief Fund (DRF) to provide an additional $300 of unemployment benefits weekly. But since the law requires states to kick in 25% matching funds for expenditures from the DRF, the memo also calls on states to use their allocation of the $80 billion still unspent from the earlier coronavirus CARES Act to put an additional $100 weekly into relief, for a total of a $400 weekly supplement to state unemployment benefits. Trump has also told states to identify funds they can spend if the DRF falls to $25 billion.

States are struggling from the collapse of tax revenues due to the pandemic. They are facing major layoffs and program cuts. Republicans oppose shoring them up apparently with the hope of forcing the states into a restructuring that will cut social benefits. The requirement in this memo will stress them more.

It is also unclear how long the DRF’s money will hold out, since more than 30 million Americans are currently collecting unemployment benefits.

Another of Trump's memos relies on the law that gives the Treasury Secretary leeway to delay tax filing and collection in case of disasters. Trump directs the Treasury Secretary to defer payroll taxes for workers making less than about $100,000 a year, starting on September 1. Members of both parties disliked this idea, but it has long been one of Trump’s favorite provisions. He insists it will inject money into the economy, although there is argument over that.

The taxes would still be due, just not until next year. But Trump appears to want to end them altogether. Trump’s lawyer Jenna Ellis tweeted “This is actually the biggest news of the day: President Trump said that if he is re-elected, he will look into terminating the payroll tax permanently!”

It is the payroll tax that funds Social Security and partly funds Medicare.

Another memo extends the deferral of student loan payments set up under the CARES Act until December 31. Under the earlier act, it expired in September.

Like the payroll tax memo, the “Executive Order on Fighting the Spread of COVID-19 by Providing Assistance to Renters and Homeowners” starts by noting that the coronavirus began in China and from there reiterates some of Trump’s favorite claims about the success of his administration. Then the memo notes how hard-hit people of color have been by Covid-19, and points out that POC are at most danger of eviction. But the memo does not, in fact, provide anything to stop that process. It simply asks various administration officials to consider whether anything can be done to help.

So what’s the story behind these four executive actions, announced late Saturday, just in time to make it onto all the Sunday talk shows?

McConnell may have sat out the negotiations because he knew he could never get Republican senators to agree on a bill. But by pulling Republicans out of negotiations, he set up a narrative that pitted Democrats against the Trump White House. The White House refused to negotiate, cut off talks, and now Trump has declared that he has the power to fix the problem himself.

But it is not at all clear that he does have the power to reallocate funds as he has. Under the Constitution, Congress controls spending, and the president is supposed to execute the laws Congress writes. Congress allocated the money that he now wants to use for pandemic relief for other purposes.

So there will almost certainly be pushback on Trump’s actions on legal grounds. But, with Senate Republicans out of negotiations, Republicans can frame legal pushback as Democrats objecting to the relief Americans so desperately need, even though the Democrats have been pushing for a relief bill for almost three months, and it is the Republicans who have been unable to produce one.

Such a construction seems to be what Trump and Republican leaders have in mind. Far from being neutral documents to solve a crisis, the documents themselves attack the Democrats for playing “political games.” In his remarks on his memos and order, Trump said: “Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer have chosen to hold this vital assistance hostage on behalf of very extreme partisan demands and the radical left Democrats and we just can't do that…. This is a bill supported by Biden, and Biden is totally controlled now by the Bernie Sanders left wing of the party.”

McConnell said: “Struggling Americans need action now…. Since Democrats have sabotaged backroom talks with absurd demands that would not help working people, I support President Trump exploring his options to get unemployment benefits and other relief to the people who need them the most.” Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the Senate president pro tempore, meaning he presides over the Senate in the absence of the vice president, tweeted that Trump "puts the American ppl first compared to nonstop political games by Democrats."

Former Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker tweeted “Congress can’t get it done, so [Trump] does. This is the sort of thing that will get [Trump] reelected in 2020. Voters are tired of the crap in Washington. They want leaders who get things done.”

Trump has been unable to manufacture any good news lately. As of today, more than 5 million Americans have been infected with coronavirus and more than 160,000 have died. While most of the rest of the world has gotten the virus under control and is reopening, the U.S economy is faltering. More than 30 million Americans are out of work, and millions are facing eviction.

But tonight, Trump has framed himself as a hero, saving Americans when Congress would not. And Republicans can frame the inevitable legal pushback on his relief measure as Democratic hostility to ordinary people.

When faced with the idea his executive orders would face challenge, Trump said: “If we get sued, it’s somebody who doesn't want people to get money…. And that's not going to be a popular thing.”
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Re: Trump COVID-19

#288  Postby Cito di Pense » Aug 10, 2020 6:38 am

And why's that, Seabass? You can say "it's because the Republican leadership does not want to do the right thing". Do you know what else you can say? The Democrat tactic may not win anything, because what it tries to do now is stick it to Trump when the Democrats do not control both houses. and they don't have the spin. You should pray that both houses go Democrat in November. If people (the electorate) do not understand how their government works, whose fault is that? The thing to do is to let the Republicans underfund the recovery. Lots of people will suffer, but so they will whether anyone sticks it to Trump or not. If you do not understand the skepticism of some that the Democrats have only good impulses in pressing their programs, think again.

The cult of selfishness is killing America? So what else is new (or no more than two weeks old at this point)?

If some Americans can be fooled by telling them that the Democrats are blocking essential assistance and some believe that all the assistance they can ever hope for is forthcoming if only the Dems ran things, whose fault is that? If some of these folks don't get the message about where they stand with the Republicans, whose fault is that? Sure, it's not the fault of right-thinking folks such as yourself, but you can post until you're blue in an obscure corner of the internet, and all you're doing is venting your rage, which is misdirected against those you think are in charge and misses those who will never get your message.
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#289  Postby Seabass » Aug 12, 2020 10:13 pm

Florida Sheriff Orders Deputies And Staff Not To Wear Face Masks

The sheriff in a central Florida COVID-19 hot spot has issued a directive prohibiting deputies, staff and visitors to department offices from wearing protective face masks, an order that came as a local mayor and city council squared off over a mask ordinance for businesses.

Marion County Sheriff Billy Woods sent an email Tuesday informing the approximately 900 people working in the department that "when you are on-duty/working as my employee and representing my Office – masks will not be worn," the Ocala Star-Banner reports.

Woods added that "effective immediately, any individual walking in to any one of our lobbies (which includes the main office and all district offices) that is wearing a mask will be asked to remove it."

"[I]n light of the current events when it comes to the sentiment and/or hatred toward law enforcement in our country today, this is being done to ensure there is clear communication and for identification purposes of any individual walking into a lobby," he said.

"We can debate and argue all day of why and why not," Woods added. "The fact is, the amount of professionals that give the reason why we should, I can find the exact same amount of professionals that say why we shouldn't."
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#290  Postby Seabass » Aug 18, 2020 8:49 am

Donald Trump has called out New Zealand for its recent Covid-19 outbreak, saying places once hailed as a success story in the pandemic are now facing a 'big surge' in cases. However, New Zealand's prime minister, Jacinda Ardern said there was 'no comparison' between the situation there and that in in the US

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#291  Postby Seabass » Aug 26, 2020 8:36 pm

CDC was pressured 'from the top down' to change coronavirus testing guidance, official says
A sudden change in federal guidelines on coronavirus testing came this week as a result of pressure from the upper ranks of the Trump administration, a federal health official close to the process tells CNN.

"It's coming from the top down," the official said of the new directive from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The new guidelines raise the bar on who should get tested, advising that some people without symptoms probably don't need it -- even if they've been in close contact with an infected person.
Previously, the CDC said viral testing was appropriate for people with recent or suspected exposure, even if they were asymptomatic.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/politics/cdc-coronavirus-testing-guidance/index.html
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#292  Postby Seabass » Aug 27, 2020 4:55 pm

Fauci: I was under anesthesia when CDC scaled back coronavirus guidelines

A controversial change in Centers for Disease Control coronavirus guildelines happened when the nation’s most trusted COVID adviser was literally asleep, CNN reported.

Dr. Anthony Fauci was under general anesthesia for surgery to his vocal cords when the change happened Aug. 20, he told CNN.

That day, the CDC adjusted its coronavirus guidelines, telling people that they didn’t need to get tested if they’d been exposed to someone with COVID-19 but were asymptomatic.

“I am concerned about the interpretation of these recommendations and worried it will give people the incorrect assumption that asymptomatic spread is not of great concern,” Fauci told CNN. “In fact it is.”

Another top CDC official told CNN that the changes were mandated “from the top down.”

Gov. Andrew Cuomo dismissed the change as “political propaganda” and said New York’s health department would not be following it. California Gov. Gavin Newsom said his state wouldn’t comply either.

President Trump has repeatedly asked for less testing to be done so that coronavirus numbers in the U.S. would look better, even as the virus would continue to spread. More than 175,000 people in America have died from COVID-19.


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#293  Postby Seabass » Sep 18, 2020 6:36 pm

Former Mike Pence aide and lifelong Republican Olivia Troye has come down with a bad case of TDS.


Olivia Troye was Homeland Security and Counterterrorism Advisor to Vice President Pence,
and served as Vice President Pence's lead staff member on the COVID-19 response.

What she saw on the inside terrified her. Now's she's a Republican voting for Joe Biden.

"When we were in a task force meeting, the President said "maybe this COVID thing is a good thing,
I don't like shaking hands with people, I don't have to shake hands with these disgusting people." Those disgusting people are the same people that he claims to care about. These are the people still going to his rallies today, who have complete faith in who he is."


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Re: Trump COVID-19

#294  Postby Seabass » Oct 08, 2020 1:45 am

Mary Trump straight up calls her uncle a mass murderer. I guess even a Trump can get Trump Derangement Syndrome. :coffee:

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#295  Postby The_Piper » Oct 08, 2020 7:52 am

The book isn't closed on his covid, but what a letdown. I was hoping by this point we'd be treated to a picture of him sitting up in his hospital bed, eating something from Taco Bell with a message for how much he loves "theHispanics". Those innocent days are far behind us.
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#296  Postby blindfaith » Oct 08, 2020 11:26 am

fingers crossed he gets long covid :pray:
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#297  Postby The_Piper » Oct 16, 2020 2:06 pm

CNN sucks, example number 3 googol and 12. Christie getting praise and respect from CNN for advocating masks just weeks after helping spread the virus on the white house lawn at an event where probably dozens were infected. He had the information that masks are vital several months before doing that, but gets the respect of the pundits over finally endorsing them merely because of his own battle with the virus. Not after millions of other Americans battles. Or before their battles, which would have done some good. I didn't have an opinion of the commentator before, but I do now. He's either dumb or shitty. It's probably the latter.

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#298  Postby Seabass » Oct 17, 2020 1:47 am

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#299  Postby Seabass » Oct 19, 2020 12:23 am

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#300  Postby OlivierK » Oct 19, 2020 5:16 am

Having a playbook is no use to people who are uninterested in actually governing.
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