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Which countries are best for personal freedoms?

#1  Postby Jesus Is Lord » Jan 14, 2022 9:59 am

I've been told that Mexico is a good country for personal freedoms. I looked into it and it certainly sounds like a great place to live.

I was wondering if anyone knew of any other countries that are good in that regard.
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#2  Postby BlackBart » Jan 14, 2022 10:14 am

Define "Personal Freedoms" and "best" while you're at it. Here in the UK, I'm free to do many things, but there are some laws that prevent me from doing certain things - impinging on other people's personal freedoms for example.
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#3  Postby hackenslash » Jan 14, 2022 10:56 am

Well, you were prior to the new policing bill...

One thing is certain, neither the UK nor the Land of the Free is remotely in the running. IIRC, last year's world freedom rankings placed the US at 53, something of an auspicious number for Americans. I think the UK ranked higher but would definitely rank lower now.
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#4  Postby Jesus Is Lord » Jan 14, 2022 11:10 am

BlackBart wrote:Define "Personal Freedoms" and "best"


By personal freedom I guess I mean being able to live as you wish. By best I mean the best (not sure what else to tell ya).

For example I've been told that in Mexico and other countries people tend to do pretty much as they please.
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#5  Postby Hermit » Jan 14, 2022 11:57 am

Jesus Is Lord wrote:
BlackBart wrote:Define "Personal Freedoms" and "best"

By personal freedom I guess I mean being able to live as you wish.

Regardless of how this might affect the welfare of others?
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#6  Postby BlackBart » Jan 14, 2022 1:17 pm

hackenslash wrote:Well, you were prior to the new policing bill...


I wouldn't disagree. But that's mainly because I'm like a Christmas Cake...White, old and rich.


One thing is certain, neither the UK nor the Land of the Free is remotely in the running. IIRC, last year's world freedom rankings placed the US at 53, something of an auspicious number for Americans. I think the UK ranked higher but would definitely rank lower now.


Probably would.

Maybe a better question would be 'would my quality of life be better' - the answer to that would be 'It depends'
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#7  Postby BlackBart » Jan 14, 2022 1:28 pm

Jesus Is Lord wrote:
BlackBart wrote:Define "Personal Freedoms" and "best"


By personal freedom I guess I mean being able to live as you wish. By best I mean the best (not sure what else to tell ya).



Aren't you living as you wish now?

For example I've been told that in Mexico and other countries people tend to do pretty much as they please.


You might be right if you're talking about Somalia.

More civil liberties don't necessarily mean an improved quality of life.
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#8  Postby Cito di Pense » Jan 14, 2022 2:57 pm

Jesus Is Lord wrote:
By personal freedom I guess I mean being able to live as you wish.


Says the guy with the user name "Jesus Is Lord". Sure, you can live as you wish, as long as your wish is to live subject to Jesus.
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#9  Postby felltoearth » Jan 14, 2022 3:27 pm

Hard to measure as some people consider taxes (incorrectly) as theft.

Press freedom is a pretty good index of personal freedom, I would offer, as tyrannical govs control the press.

https://rsf.org/en/ranking


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#10  Postby Jesus Is Lord » Jan 14, 2022 3:35 pm

Hermit wrote:
Jesus Is Lord wrote:
BlackBart wrote:Define "Personal Freedoms" and "best"

By personal freedom I guess I mean being able to live as you wish.

Regardless of how this might affect the welfare of others?


No, I mean in general. Being left alone most of the time and being able to live fairly independently.
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#11  Postby tuco » Jan 14, 2022 5:27 pm

Then the question is not about a country but a place, a remote place. Something like this:

‘Real-life Tarzan’ who lived in jungle for 41 years ‘had no idea women existed’

https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/25/man-who- ... -14826105/

‘Lang was probably the most adorable human I have ever met in my life, he just doesn’t know what is good or bad,’ he said.

No kidding .. if you lived alone in the universe, these concepts have no meaning.
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#12  Postby felltoearth » Jan 14, 2022 7:11 pm

Jesus Is Lord wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Jesus Is Lord wrote:
BlackBart wrote:Define "Personal Freedoms" and "best"

By personal freedom I guess I mean being able to live as you wish.

Regardless of how this might affect the welfare of others?


No, I mean in general. Being left alone most of the time and being able to live fairly independently.

This already relatively easy to do. Buy a shack in the woods off grid. You will have to pay taxes still though but given the shack can be almost anywhere as long as you keep your actual shit to yourself the bothering will be minimal.


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#13  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 14, 2022 7:22 pm

Jesus Is Lord wrote:
By personal freedom I guess I mean being able to live as you wish.


Problem therein is the 'you' part.

Do you mean 'you' - the chap writing this?

Because what you may wish to do might not be the same for all. So it would really depend on you expounding the specific freedoms you feel you're missing.

For example, for a thief, wouldn't it be a maximally free if petty theft were tolerated as a 'personal freedom'?



Jesus Is Lord wrote:For example I've been told that in Mexico and other countries people tend to do pretty much as they please.


There are many places across the world where the police force is ineffective in dealing with crime, or worse, complicit.

This doesn't actually equate to any personal freedom though as a state that doesn't have control over crime or a monopoly on force may be unable to offer protection to you, or to people whose wish is to live without fear of threat and violence.
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#14  Postby Hermit » Jan 14, 2022 9:23 pm

Jesus Is Lord wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Jesus Is Lord wrote:
BlackBart wrote:Define "Personal Freedoms" and "best"

By personal freedom I guess I mean being able to live as you wish.

Regardless of how this might affect the welfare of others?

No, I mean in general. Being left alone most of the time and being able to live fairly independently.

As in leaving it up to individuals whether they wear a mask? Or letting them decide at what speed it is safe to drive past the entrance of a primary school? Or letting them evade taxation because they regard taxation as theft? Or letting them kill communists because they are convinced that commies are evil? Or not reporting the confession of a kiddie fiddler to the police because they are convinced that confessions are strictly a matter between God and Man? Or keeping the difference between the value of what workers produce and what you pay them, even if that difference amounts to ~196 billion dollars in 28 years? Or slapping the missus around a bit because she so deserves it? I mean, in general.
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#15  Postby Jesus Is Lord » Jan 14, 2022 9:52 pm

Well each person has their priorities. Freedom is pretty high up on the list for me. Is it not for you? (that's for both posters above)
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#16  Postby Hermit » Jan 14, 2022 10:02 pm

Jesus Is Lord wrote:Freedom is pretty high up on the list for me. Is it not for you? (that's for both posters above)

Oh, yes. Freedom is tops. I just keep asking you how far this freedom can be taken. The point has been repeatedly made now that as long as you live in a society, freedom is circumscribed by all those other individuals who also rightfully demand the same freedom you have.
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#17  Postby Animavore » Jan 14, 2022 10:08 pm

Try Somalia.
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#18  Postby Jesus Is Lord » Jan 14, 2022 10:11 pm

Hermit wrote:
Jesus Is Lord wrote:Freedom is pretty high up on the list for me. Is it not for you? (that's for both posters above)

Oh, yes. Freedom is tops. I just keep asking you how far this freedom can be taken. The point has been repeatedly made now that as long as you live in a society, freedom is circumscribed by all those other individuals who also rightfully demand the same freedom you have.


Why is the limit of freedom an issue here? I'm talking about which countries are most free.
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#19  Postby Hermit » Jan 14, 2022 10:15 pm

Jesus Is Lord wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Jesus Is Lord wrote:Freedom is pretty high up on the list for me. Is it not for you? (that's for both posters above)

Oh, yes. Freedom is tops. I just keep asking you how far this freedom can be taken. The point has been repeatedly made now that as long as you live in a society, freedom is circumscribed by all those other individuals who also rightfully demand the same freedom you have.

Why is the limit of freedom an issue here? I'm talking about which countries are most free.

Well, as animavore has hinted at, Somalia can be argued to be among the countries where individuals have the most freedom to do as they please. Would you like to live there? If not, why not?
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#20  Postby Jesus Is Lord » Jan 14, 2022 10:18 pm

Good point. Somalia is a little too extreme. Where would you suggest instead?
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