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Atheists and gays live shorter lives

#1  Postby HAJiME » Apr 14, 2011 9:13 am

I've encountered an argument against homosexuality on the basis of it's health risks.

I'd have liked to counter it by pointing out the health risks of being religious, but when I googled.... I mostly found the opposite. Despite the fact that by country, few countries with monotheistic religion are near the top of the leaderboard for happiness, life expectancy and they dominate the top of the crime one.

So yeah, DO homosexuals and atheists live shorter lives, really? And anything else that may help...

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#2  Postby trubble76 » Apr 14, 2011 9:17 am

HAJiME wrote:I've encountered an argument against homosexuality on the basis of it's health risks.

I'd have liked to counter it by pointing out the health risks of being religious, but when I googled.... I mostly found the opposite. Despite the fact that by country, few countries with monotheistic religion are near the top of the leaderboard for happiness, life expectancy and they dominate the top of the crime one.

So yeah, DO homosexuals and atheists live shorter lives, really? And anything else that may help...

Thanks



My smart-arsed guess is if atheists and gays live shorter lives than theists, it's probably because they are being killed off by theists for being atheists or gay.
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Re: Atheists and gays live shorter lives

#3  Postby Evolving » Apr 14, 2011 9:24 am

A lot of gay men died during the AIDS epidemic of the 80s etc. This may have skewed the statistics. Hard to comment, though, without seeing the survey and its parameters (generously assuming here that there is an actual survey).
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#4  Postby CookieJon » Apr 14, 2011 9:29 am

HAJiME wrote:I've encountered an argument against homosexuality on the basis of it's health risks.


An "argument against homosexuality"? I don't understand what that even means.

Wikipedia says people in African countries have the shortest life spans. Is that an argument against black people?
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#5  Postby Thommo » Apr 14, 2011 9:33 am

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HAJiME wrote:I've encountered an argument against homosexuality on the basis of it's health risks.


An "argument against homosexuality"? I don't understand what that even means.

Wikipedia says people in African countries have the shortest life spans. Is that an argument against black people?


Genius. :lol:

I heard that cats don't live as long as people too, now I think about it. :think:

Apropos of the OP, I think I've seen the statistics before too. The AIDS issue mentioned by Evolving is a big factor I believe, combined with a biased sampling method in some cases. I think it's also true that theists live a little longer than atheists (if measured within a country, rather than across countries), but the direction of causality is not established, it's quite possible that people who are less prone to ill health and stress (say) are more likely to classify themselves as religious, for example.

I don't have any links to hand though.
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#6  Postby chairman bill » Apr 14, 2011 9:41 am

Is this why so many glergy are gay; they're hoping that being religious will overcome the fact of their being gay & let them live longer? Is the effect of being gay & an atheist cummulative so that gay atheists die even earlier than gay theists & non-gay atheists?
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Re: Atheists and gays live shorter lives

#7  Postby HAJiME » Apr 14, 2011 9:49 am

t's quite possible that people who are less prone to ill health and stress (say) are more likely to classify themselves as religious, for example.

That's a fantastic point.
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#8  Postby byofrcs » Apr 14, 2011 9:55 am

Being Atheist means not having a belief in god so to compare things you would have to look at what they do believe in.

Life expectancy is strongly determined by the availability of health care, clean water and enough food. If (as a human being irrespective of your belief in god) think that these three things are fundamental human rights and you work towards that goal then you will have a society that will have a high life expectancy for all.
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Re: Atheists and gays live shorter lives

#9  Postby keypad5 » Apr 14, 2011 9:58 am

Paul Cameron. :coffee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cameron

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/h ... meron.html

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/h ... _obit.html

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articl ... 00,008.htm

http://news.lavenderliberal.com/2010/11 ... k-science/

http://www.alternet.org/story/31942/

Invariably, any claim about the lifespan of homosexuals leads back to the Cameron obituary study. The results of the study also concluded that lesbians are 300 times more likely to die in car accidents. :smug:

Religious right action groups including Focus on the Family, the American Family Association, the Family Research Council and the Traditional Values Coalition promote Cameron’s statistics on their Web sites. The Christian Communications Network, a public relations firm run by anti-abortion zealot Gary McCullough — media adviser to Operation Rescue and the parents of Terri Schiavo, whose feeding tube removal sparked a major controversy — publicizes Cameron’s findings to religious newspapers and helps distribute tens of thousands of his heavily footnoted pamphlets to church congregations.
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But no matter how low his professional reputation sinks or how patently ludicrous his findings become (one recent Cameron study concluded that lesbians are 300 times more likely to die in car accidents than heterosexual women), the social impact of Cameron’s so-called research far exceeds that of all but a few genuine research psychologists. Cameron’s findings are repeated ad nauseam by lawmakers, radio talk show hosts, preachers and anti-gay activists across the country. In 2003, his research was cited by dissenting justices on the Massachusetts Supreme Court in the case that led to legalizing same-sex marriage in that state. In 2004, a majority decision by the Florida Supreme Court that upheld a law banning adoption by same-sex couples specifically cited Cameron’s research as being “consonant with the notion that children raised by homosexuals disproportionately experience emotional disturbance and sexual victimization.”
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#10  Postby Precambrian Rabbi » Apr 14, 2011 10:00 am

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long...

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#11  Postby paceetrate » Apr 19, 2011 4:55 am

HAJiME wrote:I've encountered an argument against homosexuality on the basis of it's health risks.

That's like saying there's an argument against fair skin and red hair. You can't have an argument against something that isn't a damn choice. To hell with what the statistics say, and smack the dude on that point alone.
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#12  Postby VI The Sixth » Apr 27, 2011 7:09 pm

paceetrate wrote:That's like saying there's an argument against fair skin and red hair. You can't have an argument against something that isn't a damn choice. To hell with what the statistics say, and smack the dude on that point alone.


To play devil's advocate here for a bit, many people believe homosexuality is a choice. They then argue why that choice is bad: Health risks, the world would end if we're all gays, not "natural" etc.
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#13  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Apr 27, 2011 7:14 pm

Even if it were the case that being gay is a decision, informed adults are allowed to make decisions that negtively impact their health.

I drink too much and I eat extremely rich food, which I have to compensate for by over-exercising. I love my life though and those things add to it's quality. No, I won't be around for as long as most people who don't do those things but while I am, I intend to enjoy myself, and I do.

If having sex with women would shorten my lifespan but was what put a smile on my face, I'd do that too.
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#14  Postby Shrunk » Apr 27, 2011 7:25 pm

HAJiME wrote:I've encountered an argument against homosexuality on the basis of it's health risks.

I'd have liked to counter it by pointing out the health risks of being religious, but when I googled.... I mostly found the opposite. Despite the fact that by country, few countries with monotheistic religion are near the top of the leaderboard for happiness, life expectancy and they dominate the top of the crime one.

So yeah, DO homosexuals and atheists live shorter lives, really? And anything else that may help...

Thanks


I don't know about any research demonstrating whether theism or atheism has any effect on longetivity. However, it seems a pretty consistent finding that regular church attendance is correlated with a longer lifespan. Just believing in God by itself seems to do little if you don't attend regular religious services.

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#15  Postby Nautilidae » Apr 27, 2011 10:07 pm

Why would a personal belief decrease your life span?
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#16  Postby Shrunk » Apr 27, 2011 11:35 pm

Nautilidae wrote:Why would a personal belief decrease your life span?


By itself, it probably won't. However, a particular personal belief is likely to correlate with other behaviours that might have an effect. So, as that study I mention above suggests, if you believe in God you are more likely to spend a couple hours of every week getting out of your house to go to a place called a "church" or "mosque" or "synagogue" where your meeti with a large community of people who share similar interests and beliefs to yourself, listen to some relaxing music, hear a speech confirming that you have the right idea about your place in the universe, etc. and this seems to lead to you living several years longer.
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#17  Postby surreptitious57 » Apr 27, 2011 11:38 pm

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Re: Atheists and gays live shorter lives

#18  Postby Areopagitican » Apr 27, 2011 11:39 pm

Just some food for thought:

http://www.naturalnews.com/022599.html
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#19  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Apr 27, 2011 11:43 pm

Natural news is more likely to rot your brain that provide it with nourishment, unfortunately.

I would freaking love to live on the Amish diet though. They consume carbs and fats like nobody's business. Almost all their work is physical and they walk most places though so they're pretty healthy. I don't want the work part. I just want to eat.
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#20  Postby surreptitious57 » Apr 27, 2011 11:45 pm

I would have thought that what determines longevity is physical and mental well-being and that sexual orientation and religious belief have nothing to do with it. I am sure there are healthy gays and atheists and equally, unhealthy striaghts and theists.
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