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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#81  Postby newolder » Mar 09, 2020 7:58 pm

campermon wrote:Anyone fancy a beer?


G&T for me (a pint glass is fine though). :beer:
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#82  Postby Nevets » Mar 09, 2020 8:00 pm

Hermit wrote:Stop digging already nevets. Read the bolded and underlined text again. Pay particular attention to the two words "make matter". QM is not, cannot be concerned with making matter. That is not even within the purview of science. Leave abiogenesis to theology and metaphysics.


Ok, seen as you have no understanding of Quantum Mechanics, let me take you back to the introduction, let there be light

Light behaves in some aspects like particles and in other aspects like waves. Matter—the "stuff" of the universe consisting of particles such as electrons and atoms—exhibits wavelike behavior too. Some light sources, such as neon lights, give off only certain specific frequencies of light, a small set of distinct pure colors determined by neon's atomic structure. Quantum mechanics shows that light, along with all other forms of electromagnetic radiation, comes in discrete units, called photons, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduct ... _mechanics
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#83  Postby Cito di Pense » Mar 09, 2020 8:00 pm

campermon wrote:Anyone fancy a beer?


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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#84  Postby newolder » Mar 09, 2020 8:03 pm

campermon wrote:In other news; Good friend of mine (we studied together) has just put out a tentative theory on the origin of dark matter:

"Nuclear physicists are putting forward a new candidate for dark matter -- a particle they recently discovered called the d-star hexaquark. "
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 140225.htm

We discussed it last year over a few beers; to paraphrase him "It could be a Nobel, or more likely just a crock of shit" :lol:

:cheers:


How do they overcome the short lifetime (~ 10-23 seconds) of the hexaquark and don't 6 quarks have Coulomb charge and, therefore, e-m coupling and, therefore, not "dark" or invisible to e-m fields? :ask:
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#85  Postby campermon » Mar 09, 2020 8:04 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
campermon wrote:Anyone fancy a beer?


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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'll take mine with a shot on the side please.

:cheers:
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#86  Postby Spearthrower » Mar 09, 2020 8:05 pm

Nevets wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:

Who is?

Where are they doing this?

How can light particles 'form' matter?

Your link suggests nothing of the sort.



Science is.


Your assertions are worth nothing to me. Show a source corroborating your claims. I am not interested in seeing pretty sentences you crafted with syntactical precision... I am interested in the content of those sentences, and the truth value of them. You have made so many assertions in the brief time you've been here, but you don't seem able to support them.



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Wave–particle duality is the concept in quantum mechanics that every particle or quantum entity may be described as either a particle or a wave. It expresses the inability of the classical concepts "particle" or "wave" to fully describe the behaviour of quantum-scale objects. As Albert Einstein wrote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%8 ... le_duality


The wave theories of light

Classical particle and wave theories of light https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%8 ... le_duality


These are entry level links on Wikipedia which do not corroborate your claims.

It's exactly equivalent of me doing this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light,_Arkansas

Light is an unincorporated community in Greene County, Arkansas, United States.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein

According to conductor Leon Botstein, Einstein began playing when he was 5. However, he did not enjoy it at that age



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_ ... _the...%3F

The difference in prices from the first load to the later ones was so high that the original price which was paid for the tea in China was quite unimportant. So the "price of tea in China" was something that really didn't matter for the ship owners. They had to have the tea in England as fast as possible.



Nevets wrote:If you do not know the first thing about Quantum mechanics, and how it has theories of Light containing particles, and you are unable to see how this equates to them trying to establish how solid physical matter was formed, then that is not my fault


Your claims are nonsensical. I don't need to know much about Quantum Mechanics to know that. I think it's due to scientific illiteracy, like not knowing what a theory is in science, not understanding that theories aren't contained within other theories, similarly I don't think you know what you're talking about, and I believe this is evidenced by how you're unable to support any of your claims.

As you're unable to offer any support for your claims, then why am I supposed to trust those claims? Are you an authority I should just implicitly trust? Are your words gospel? If not, then how about you stop jabbering and do some leg-work to support your claims? Otherwise, yeah they're dismissed.
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#87  Postby Nevets » Mar 09, 2020 8:06 pm

Hermit wrote:
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In physics, a quantum (plural quanta) is the minimum amount of any physical entity (physical property) involved in an interaction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum


This theory is trying to describe what might have caused the big bang, such as Light photons interacting with something else, in order to create a bang and make matter

There is nothing at all whatsoever in the bit you quote that says anything at all that could possibly be described as "Light photons interacting with something else, in order to create a bang and make matter". By attempting to squeeze this interpretation out of the bit you quoted you are making an utter fool of yourself. Stop injecting meanings into statements that are exclusively of your own creation.


Light photons are something QM are researching

Light behaves in some aspects like particles and in other aspects like waves. Matter—the "stuff" of the universe consisting of particles such as electrons and atoms—exhibits wavelike behavior too. Some light sources, such as neon lights, give off only certain specific frequencies of light, a small set of distinct pure colors determined by neon's atomic structure. Quantum mechanics shows that light, along with all other forms of electromagnetic radiation, comes in discrete units, called photons, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduct ... _mechanics
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#88  Postby campermon » Mar 09, 2020 8:06 pm

newolder wrote:
campermon wrote:In other news; Good friend of mine (we studied together) has just put out a tentative theory on the origin of dark matter:

"Nuclear physicists are putting forward a new candidate for dark matter -- a particle they recently discovered called the d-star hexaquark. "
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 140225.htm

We discussed it last year over a few beers; to paraphrase him "It could be a Nobel, or more likely just a crock of shit" :lol:

:cheers:


How do they overcome the short lifetime (~ 10-23 seconds) of the hexaquark and don't 6 quarks have Coulomb charge and, therefore, e-m coupling and, therefore, not "dark" or invisible to e-m fields? :ask:


Dunno! :lol:

I'm betting the answer will involve 'quantum' :grin:
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#89  Postby Spearthrower » Mar 09, 2020 8:06 pm

campermon wrote:Anyone fancy a beer?



I think we're going to need something stronger.
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#90  Postby Spearthrower » Mar 09, 2020 8:08 pm

Nevets wrote:
Hermit wrote:Stop digging already nevets. Read the bolded and underlined text again. Pay particular attention to the two words "make matter". QM is not, cannot be concerned with making matter. That is not even within the purview of science. Leave abiogenesis to theology and metaphysics.


Ok, seen as you have no understanding of Quantum Mechanics, let me take you back to the introduction, let there be light

Light behaves in some aspects like particles and in other aspects like waves. Matter—the "stuff" of the universe consisting of particles such as electrons and atoms—exhibits wavelike behavior too. Some light sources, such as neon lights, give off only certain specific frequencies of light, a small set of distinct pure colors determined by neon's atomic structure. Quantum mechanics shows that light, along with all other forms of electromagnetic radiation, comes in discrete units, called photons, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduct ... _mechanics



The pretense thereby being that you do know about QM, but then you keep citing Wikipedia passages which don't corroborate your claims.

Maybe we can make this easier - I doubt anyone here believes you know the first thing about QM, so unless you're going to go out of your way to disprove this by showing your expertise, how about you drop the pretense as it's very much having the opposite effect to the one you presumable desire.
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#91  Postby Cito di Pense » Mar 09, 2020 8:08 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
campermon wrote:Anyone fancy a beer?



I think we're going to need something stronger.


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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#92  Postby campermon » Mar 09, 2020 8:11 pm

newolder wrote:
campermon wrote:In other news; Good friend of mine (we studied together) has just put out a tentative theory on the origin of dark matter:

"Nuclear physicists are putting forward a new candidate for dark matter -- a particle they recently discovered called the d-star hexaquark. "
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 140225.htm

We discussed it last year over a few beers; to paraphrase him "It could be a Nobel, or more likely just a crock of shit" :lol:

:cheers:


How do they overcome the short lifetime (~ 10-23 seconds) of the hexaquark and don't 6 quarks have Coulomb charge and, therefore, e-m coupling and, therefore, not "dark" or invisible to e-m fields? :ask:


The article is here: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1 ... 471/ab67e8 :thumbup:
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#93  Postby Spearthrower » Mar 09, 2020 8:12 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
campermon wrote:Anyone fancy a beer?



I think we're going to need something stronger.


Kahlua-Klein Theory?


Mmm I could hypothesize that right now.
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#94  Postby Nevets » Mar 09, 2020 8:12 pm

Spearthrower wrote:

Maybe we can make this easier - I doubt anyone here believes you know the first thing about QM, so unless you're going to go out of your way to disprove this by showing your expertise, how about you drop the pretense as it's very much having the opposite effect to the one you presumable desire.


Even the Science community agrees with you on this one

Since its inception, the many counter-intuitive aspects and results of quantum mechanics have provoked strong philosophical debates and many interpretations. Even fundamental issues, such as Max Born's basic rules about probability amplitudes and probability distributions, took decades to be appreciated by society and many leading scientists. Richard Feynman once said, "I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics."[77] According to Steven Weinberg, "There is now in my opinion no entirely satisfactory interpretation of quantum mechanics."[78]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics#Philosophical_implications


"nobody" understands Quantum mechanics
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#95  Postby Spearthrower » Mar 09, 2020 8:13 pm

Here's quantum:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia

Wikipedia (/ˌwɪkɪˈpiːdiə/ (About this soundlisten) wik-ih-PEE-dee-ə or /ˌwɪkiˈpiːdiə/ (About this soundlisten) wik-ee-PEE-dee-ə) is a multilingual online encyclopedia created and maintained as an open collaboration project[4] by a community of volunteer editors using a wiki-based editing system.[5] It is the largest and most popular general reference work on the World Wide Web,
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#96  Postby campermon » Mar 09, 2020 8:23 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
campermon wrote:Anyone fancy a beer?



I think we're going to need something stronger.


Kahlua-Klein Theory?


On the rocks please bartender! :cheers:
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#97  Postby Cito di Pense » Mar 09, 2020 8:25 pm

campermon wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
campermon wrote:Anyone fancy a beer?



I think we're going to need something stronger.


Kahlua-Klein Theory?


On the rocks please bartender! :cheers:


The second ingredient comes out of a Klein bottle. Ah, but which way is "out"?
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#98  Postby campermon » Mar 09, 2020 8:25 pm

Nevets wrote:

Light photons are something QM are researching



Those quantum mechanics with their tiny spanners. :grin:

Keep 'em coming!

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#99  Postby campermon » Mar 09, 2020 8:27 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
campermon wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:


I think we're going to need something stronger.


Kahlua-Klein Theory?


On the rocks please bartender! :cheers:


The second ingredient comes out of a Klein bottle. Ah, but which way is "out"?


The never emptying bottle :awesome:
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Re: Can someone with QM knowledge debunk this guy?

#100  Postby newolder » Mar 09, 2020 8:40 pm

How to fill a (3-D representation of) a Klein bottle:

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