vimana wrote:....

sorry, that was the answer to another person.
I'm not trying to defense any position, but I see a problem on how can somebody proves that hyperreality exist, and by the other hand trying to prove that hyperreality doesn't exist. how can you prove any of this options. what's your position, and which evidence can you give on the subject?

WTF? Look, if there is something you are trying to say, then please say it. If you are claiming cyberspace is 'real' then prove it. If you are saying something about human psychology and beliefs then let's hear it.

You titled this thread 'Evidence on Matrix Civilization' - what do you mean by that?

Arjan Dirkse wrote:Of course cyberspace is real, it's a bunch of information being shared by computers worldwide.

Other than that, it just looks like the guy in the video is fascinated by odd looking pixel effects.

and would you say that has its own reality?

oh and BTW the guy in the video is a wacko.....

Jebus on the toast.....angels on a pinhead....the secret code of the bible kind of wacko....

Oh Ah....Banned I see....oh well...

sorry, that was the answer to another person.

No problem, you may find the quote button useful.

I'm not trying to defense any position, but I see a problem on how can somebody proves that hyperreality exist, and by the other hand trying to prove that hyperreality doesn't exist.

You keep throwing around buzzwords and expect everyone to know what you mean by them.

What is hyperreality?
What is 'cyberspace' if it's not a synonym for the internet?

how can you prove any of this options.

By providing falsifiable evidence.

what's your position

I haven't been given a coherent hypothesis on which to formulate a position.

and which evidence can you give on the subject?

I don't need to provide any evidence because I'm not making any claim. Look up burden of proof.

kennyc wrote:Oh Ah....Banned I see....oh well...

I wonder what for? I asked for the thread to be moved to a more appropriate subforum, but that was a bit drastic.

Sockinessness I suppose.

BlackBart wrote:

kennyc wrote:Oh Ah....Banned I see....oh well...

I wonder what for? I asked for the thread to be moved to a more appropriate subforum, but that was a bit drastic.

Sockinessness I suppose.

I disagree. The claim is so naïve that it should be debunked.

DavidMcC wrote:

BlackBart wrote:

kennyc wrote:Oh Ah....Banned I see....oh well...

I wonder what for? I asked for the thread to be moved to a more appropriate subforum, but that was a bit drastic.

Sockinessness I suppose.

I disagree. The claim is so naïve that it should be debunked.

Disagree about what? How do you debunk a claim by moving the thread to another subforum or banning the OP?

Blackbart, I don't understand your complaint. Do you not agree that it is nonsense, that should be debunked, whatever forum it is in?

DavidMcC wrote:Blackbart, I don't understand your complaint. Do you not agree that it is nonsense, that should be debunked, whatever forum it is in?

What complaint? I haven't complained. Disagee what was nonsense. He was barely making sense. The Internet is a Matrixy-cyberspacey-thing and-we-don't-know-if-it's-real-or-if-we-are-real-blah-blah-hyperreality-woof-woof! Whaaat?
And even if he were making some semblence of sense, I don't have jump through hoops to 'debunk' him. He can do his own homework.

BlackBart wrote:

DavidMcC wrote:Blackbart, I don't understand your complaint. Do you not agree that it is nonsense, that should be debunked, whatever forum it is in?

What complaint? I haven't complained. Disagee what was nonsense. He was barely making sense. The Internet is a Matrixy-cyberspacey-thing and-we-don't-know-if-it's-real-or-if-we-are-real-blah-blah-hyperreality-woof-woof! Whaaat?
And even if he were making some semblence of sense, I don't have jump through hoops to 'debunk' him. He can do his own homework.

I undertstood it to mean that he thought a pile of "cyber-garbage" in a still from the video, was real, rather than just an artifact of the digital techniques used to make the video, acting on interference.

Well, he's been de-rezzed now, so we'll never know..

ATLOB.

(another tedious load of bollocks).

BlackBart wrote:Well, he's been de-rezzed now, so we'll never know..

I always thought that 'Tron' was a documentary...

campermon wrote:I always thought that 'Tron' was a documentary...

Only the first one, the second one strained credulity.