Wilbur wrote:
... so therefore nothing is. You gotta dive deep to come up with such a perfect nugglet.
Don't put your own inanity into my mouth, that just makes you look even more ridiculous, if that is possible.
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Wilbur wrote:
... so therefore nothing is. You gotta dive deep to come up with such a perfect nugglet.
Wilbur wrote:
Your comment suggests you believe there's a perfectly mundane deflationary account for these experiences, what's the basis for that thinking?
Wilbur wrote:Fenrir wrote:
Don't put your own inanity into my mouth, that just makes you look even more ridiculous, if that is possible.
Plenty of reasonable people seem ridiculous to creationists and holocaust deniers, are you like one of the few rational people to have ever lived or something? It's much more likely that you're just another ideological brawler on the nets appealing to consensus in your home court. Tragic. You say I'm ridiculous, but realistically that's just not gonna mean very much outside your bubble and your bubble isn't really all that significant in the wider world. You're gonna have to do better.
Fenrir wrote:Wilbur wrote:
Plenty of reasonable people seem ridiculous to creationists and holocaust deniers, are you like one of the few rational people to have ever lived or something? It's much more likely that you're just another ideological brawler on the nets appealing to consensus in your home court. Tragic. You say I'm ridiculous, but realistically that's just not gonna mean very much outside your bubble and your bubble isn't really all that significant in the wider world. You're gonna have to do better.
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Troll better.
Wilbur wrote:
My position is that it's an open question. Your wacky scientism doesn't resolve the issue, it's just your catechism.
Wilbur wrote:What is the scientistic position? Some things once thought supernatural turned out to be physical so therefore everything is? That's retarded.
Wilbur wrote:
... so therefore nothing is. You gotta dive deep to come up with such a perfect nugglet.
Wilbur wrote:Fenrir wrote:
Don't put your own inanity into my mouth, that just makes you look even more ridiculous, if that is possible.
Plenty of reasonable people seem ridiculous to creationists and holocaust deniers, are you like one of the few rational people to have ever lived or something? It's much more likely that you're just another ideological brawler on the nets appealing to consensus in your home court. Tragic. You say I'm ridiculous, but realistically that's just not gonna mean very much outside your bubble and your bubble isn't really all that significant in the wider world. You're gonna have to do better.
Fallible wrote:Every time I think I might be edging anywhere near to thinking wilbur has something useful to say, I recall the end of this thread.
Thomas Eshuis wrote:Kafei wrote:Thomas Eshuis wrote:Kafei wrote:There is a phenomenon in consciousness that science is labelling "mystical experience" which mystics have been engaging throughout history. And when one has this universal experience, one of the core defining characteristics is the powerful intuition that all is one, that all people and things are ultimately connected, everything exists as a unicity. Now, as to why that exists in our species, we're not sure. That's why we've got such studies right now investigating the mystical experience, but even physicists talk about the multiverse ultimately being an interconnected unicity. The mystic and the physicist seem to have come to the same conclusion.
Why such things aren't mentioned in a topic like this is beyond me. Perhaps most people haven't gotten the memo based on research that has taken place in the past few decades, and new studies that are currently in place now.
1. Roland Griffiths =/= scientists.
I'm not referring to specifically Griffiths' work, but multiple studies done by various professionals in the field ranging from neuroscientists, neurologists, psychologists, psychiatrists, psychopharmocologists, etc. Why would you think I'm simply referring to one particular person?
Because that's the only reference you offer while making a claim about a consensus of scientists.
If you make a claim about a consensus you need to either cite multiple studies by leading scientists in the field, or cite at least one meta-study.
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
The phenomenon is that people claim to have mystical experiences.
That doesn't mean there's anything interconnected about it or that it's the same experience for everyone.
Thomas Eshuis wrote:Kafei wrote:
This experience literally gives an impression of everything that exists being ultimately one.
Some of them do, others do not.
You keep asserting or pretending all people who claim to have had mystical experiences, experience the same thing.
You have not demonstrated this and I know of people who did not experience this 'all is ultimately one' feeling.
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Never said it was. Could you take more care to actually read what I post, rather than presenting various answers and criticisms to things I haven't actually stated?
Thomas Eshuis wrote:Kafei wrote: Reason 4 seems it's a more apt description to describe an aspect of Darwin's "survival of the fittest."
Except:
1. That's not Darwin's that's Herbert Spencer's.
2. It matters fuck all to the point I'm making.
It's far more simple and rational explanation than the assertion that mystical experiences actually tell us something about the universe.
Thomas Eshuis wrote:Kafei wrote:Thomas Eshuis wrote:
5. Citation if you please. Everything is connected due to the virtue of there being no absolute barriers, for example, between our universe and another. That's the same as there being some kind of mystical force that connects us all.
Well, simply look into any attempt at a TOE (Theory of Everything) in physics. The implication of things like M-theory or string theory is that the multiverse, in all its vastness, is ultimately a unicity.
Failure to provide even a single citation has been noted.
What exactly is your expertise in physics?
Wilbur wrote:Fallible wrote:Every time I think I might be edging anywhere near to thinking wilbur has something useful to say, I recall the end of this thread.
You didn't find that useful? You must be like totally oblivious to the sitchy ay shun.
I was flying when I typed that.
Fallible wrote:Wilbur wrote:Fallible wrote:Every time I think I might be edging anywhere near to thinking wilbur has something useful to say, I recall the end of this thread.
You didn't find that useful? You must be like totally oblivious to the sitchy ay shun.
I was flying when I typed that.
No way.
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