Is there a name for this fallacy?

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Is there a name for this fallacy?

#1  Postby RationalMind » Apr 14, 2015 2:20 pm

I have come across fallacious argumens like this seeral times.

You will all know of the Naturalistic Fallacy where something is said to be better just because it is natural.

This is kind of a converse but not quite.

I have encountered two versions. Humans can't be causing climate change because humans are special in someway and therefore all the other climate change is different.

and also population change in animals caused by humans can't be predation because humans are doing it , they are special, so it must be hunting or collecting.

Is there a name for this fallacy of human specialness or is it an example of another fallacy?
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Re: Is there a name for this fallacy?

#2  Postby hackenslash » Apr 14, 2015 2:26 pm

RationalMind wrote:Humans can't be causing climate change because humans are special in someway and therefore all the other climate change is different.

and also population change in animals caused by humans can't be predation because humans are doing it , they are special, so it must be hunting or collecting.

Is there a name for this fallacy of human specialness or is it an example of another fallacy?


Those are the same fallacy, namely special pleading in its most basic form.
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Re: Is there a name for this fallacy?

#3  Postby Sendraks » Apr 14, 2015 2:36 pm

Special pleading and denialism.
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Re: Is there a name for this fallacy?

#4  Postby Animavore » Apr 14, 2015 2:37 pm

RationalMind wrote:I have encountered two versions. Humans can't be causing climate change because humans are special in someway and therefore all the other climate change is different.


Humans can't drastically affect the landscape because humans are special in someway and therefore all other landscape change is different.

That's how stupid that argument sounds to me.
Humans are indeed different. We have machines and tech which can wreak havoc faster.
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#5  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Apr 14, 2015 3:21 pm

Humans can't breathe because humans are special in someway and therefore all other breathing is different.
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#6  Postby Papa Smurf » Apr 14, 2015 3:51 pm

Humans can't think because humans are special in someway and therefore all other thinking is different.
Humans can't exist because humans are special in someway and therefore all other existence is different.
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As for a name, how about Anthropocentric Fallacy?
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Re: Is there a name for this fallacy?

#7  Postby hackenslash » Apr 14, 2015 4:09 pm

How about the 'everybody's massively over-thinking this fallacy' fallacy.

it's textbook special pleading, nothing more or less.
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Re: Is there a name for this fallacy?

#8  Postby BlackBart » Apr 14, 2015 4:17 pm

And a splash of equivocation? How is hunting not predation?
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Re: Is there a name for this fallacy?

#9  Postby hackenslash » Apr 14, 2015 4:19 pm

No, because predation is specifically hunting for food, while hunting can also apply to trophy collection.
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#10  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Apr 14, 2015 5:36 pm

What about MILF hunting?

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#11  Postby hackenslash » Apr 14, 2015 5:37 pm

Isn't that trophy collection?

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#12  Postby Cito di Pense » Apr 14, 2015 6:41 pm

hackenslash wrote:Isn't that trophy collection?

:hide:


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#13  Postby hackenslash » Apr 14, 2015 6:53 pm

I've seen one with an atrophied wife...
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Re: Is there a name for this fallacy?

#14  Postby Animavore » Mar 02, 2016 2:03 pm

I didn't want to start a new thread.

Is there a name for the fallacy, or is it even a fallacy, when someone picks a or the paragraphs you write in a post, a paragraph which should be taken as a whole, and cuts them up into little pieces dealing with as little as one sentence at a time and arguing against some tacit implication, real or percieved, within that sentence.

It's like an inverted Gish Gallop, or maybe it just is a Gish Gallop. maybe it could be called the Nested Quotes Fallacy, if it indeed can be called a fallacy, rather than just bad or dishonest debating.

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Re: Is there a name for this fallacy?

#15  Postby Sendraks » Mar 02, 2016 2:11 pm

It is basically cherry picking and quote mining. In that by picking apart the totality of what is said, the individual can argue against individual sentences which in isolation they interpret as having a specific meaning. It is disingenuous as fuck.
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Re: Is there a name for this fallacy?

#16  Postby Evolving » Mar 02, 2016 2:12 pm

"Taking out of context"?
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Re: Is there a name for this fallacy?

#17  Postby Sendraks » Mar 02, 2016 2:22 pm

The fallacy of context?
"One of the great tragedies of mankind is that morality has been hijacked by religion." - Arthur C Clarke

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#18  Postby Animavore » Mar 02, 2016 2:22 pm

Evolving wrote:Taking


There seems to be more giving than taking with this style of argumentation. It's more putting words were there really aren't any.

Evolving wrote:out


More like adding; mostly fuel to the fire.

Evolving wrote:of


While simile can sometimes be used, it is not the modus operandi.

Evolving wrote:context


You wouldn't know context if it got behind you on its hands and knees while relevance pushed you over it.
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#19  Postby Sendraks » Mar 02, 2016 2:24 pm

Animavore wrote:You wouldn't know context if it got behind you on its hands and knees.


I'm out. You two clearly need some "alone time."
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#20  Postby Evolving » Mar 02, 2016 2:36 pm

:)
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