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Re: JFK Assassination

#601  Postby John Platko » Nov 11, 2017 8:14 pm

This makes me want to read David Philips book again. It seems like the CIA took it seriously and didn't like the information he was putting out.

One of the things Philips wrote, perhaps in a different manuscript was:

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David Atlee Phillips died of cancer on 7th July, 1988. He left behind an unpublished manuscript. The novel is about a CIA officer who lived in Mexico City. In the novel the character states: "I was one of those officers who handled Lee Harvey Oswald... We gave him the mission of killing Fidel Castro in Cuba... I don't know why he killed Kennedy. But I do know he used precisely the plan we had devised against Castro. Thus the CIA did not anticipate the president's assassination, but it was responsible for it. I share that guilt."


And we have Antonio Veciana claiming to have seen Philips with Oswald in Dallas.
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Re: JFK Assassination

#602  Postby proudfootz » Nov 14, 2017 11:37 pm

Released documents reveal the CIA as a terrorist organization willing to assassinate leaders and try to pin the blame on others.

No surprise - except perhaps to the willfully ignorant.

Another 1979 report declassified on Thursday about the CIA’s plans to assassinate Castro, with the participation of the Mafia and anti-Castro exiles, analyzes in detail the operation carried out by AMLASH, the CIA’s codename for Cubela.

Members of the special group that coordinated Operation Mongoose also considered sabotage operations against the Cuban government or even false-flag attacks to justify military intervention.

“We could develop a Cuban Communist terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” the Operation Mongoose document says. “The terror campaign could be pointed at Cubans refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated.) We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States... Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots.”

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation- ... 88881.html


Similar schemes of murder and terror were folded into the long known Operation Northwoods.

Of course, this is the material the CIA decided was benign enough to allow to become public.

In the nomenclature of the Watergate era a 'limited hangout'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
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Re: JFK Assassination

#603  Postby John Platko » Nov 15, 2017 8:21 pm

proudfootz wrote:Released documents reveal the CIA as a terrorist organization willing to assassinate leaders and try tio pin the blame on others.

No surprise - except perhaps to the willfully ignorant.

Another 1979 report declassified on Thursday about the CIA’s plans to assassinate Castro, with the participation of the Mafia and anti-Castro exiles, analyzes in detail the operation carried out by AMLASH, the CIA’s codename for Cubela.

Members of the special group that coordinated Operation Mongoose also considered sabotage operations against the Cuban government or even false-flag attacks to justify military intervention.

“We could develop a Cuban Communist terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” the Operation Mongoose document says. “The terror campaign could be pointed at Cubans refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated.) We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States... Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots.”

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation- ... 88881.html


Similar schemes of murder and terror were folded into the long known Operation Northwoods.

Of course, this is the material the CIA decided was benign enough to allow to become public.

In the nomenclature of the Watergate era a 'limited hangout'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout


Yea, it's bit like I confess to my wife that I''ve secretly been a serial killer for the last 10 years and then nonchalantly ask her to pass the butter.

I've been though a lot of these "new" documents now. The connection to the assassinations is not obvious for many of them. The bulk are Cuban related, very little Mafia related. Very little new on Oswald that I found. Some new stuff on Marina Oswald. She seems to have been a KGB honey pot working her way out of the Soviet Union. She knows more than she ever told. The CIA documents talk rather nicely of Silvia Duran - I'm guessing she was helping the CIA. Lots of Watergate folks and their involvement with the Cubans. A fair amount of June Cobb stuff and it looks like her sister might have done some work for the CIA too. A fair amount on Priscilla Johnson McMillan who always managed to be around the Oswalds at the right time.

Not much on Ruth Paine. I'm thinking she has to be associated with the CIA. There was a document saying her sister was a psychologist for the CIA.

I wonder who will sort though all those documents. It would take a fairly large team to make sense of it all. Maybe some University will take it on. :dunno:
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Re: JFK Assassination

#604  Postby proudfootz » Dec 17, 2017 1:54 am

It seems some whose career consists of denying reality are upset by anyone paying attention to new facts emerging:

It does not take long for the maestro of misinformation [Max Holland] to get to his polemical point. In paragraph five he says the newly released documents tell us nothing we did not already know. Therefore, in the cozy comfort of the pages of the Weekly Standard, he can pronounce that this whole national cacophony has been, in Max’s terms—borrowing from a famous English playwright — Much Ado about Nothing.

Which, right off the bat, tells us that Holland is up to his old tricks. The main one he uses is this: he does not reveal anything new or important to his readership, so he can then make ersatz pronouncements, like the above. In fact, his web site, Washington Decoded, specializes in this technique when dealing with the JFK case. Let us take some examples to show just how blindfolded Holland is.

Most objective observers would say that the revelation that Mayor Earle Cabell of Dallas—brother of Deputy Director of the CIA Charles Cabell—was a CIA asset would be of some importance. Especially since President Kennedy was murdered in Dallas under rather suspicious circumstances...

<full article at link below>

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kenn ... ays-enough
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Re: JFK Assassination

#605  Postby John Platko » Dec 17, 2017 7:34 pm

proudfootz wrote:It seems some whose career consists of denying reality are upset by anyone paying attention to new facts emerging:

It does not take long for the maestro of misinformation [Max Holland] to get to his polemical point. In paragraph five he says the newly released documents tell us nothing we did not already know. Therefore, in the cozy comfort of the pages of the Weekly Standard, he can pronounce that this whole national cacophony has been, in Max’s terms—borrowing from a famous English playwright — Much Ado about Nothing.

Which, right off the bat, tells us that Holland is up to his old tricks. The main one he uses is this: he does not reveal anything new or important to his readership, so he can then make ersatz pronouncements, like the above. In fact, his web site, Washington Decoded, specializes in this technique when dealing with the JFK case. Let us take some examples to show just how blindfolded Holland is.

Most objective observers would say that the revelation that Mayor Earle Cabell of Dallas—brother of Deputy Director of the CIA Charles Cabell—was a CIA asset would be of some importance. Especially since President Kennedy was murdered in Dallas under rather suspicious circumstances...

<full article at link below>

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kenn ... ays-enough


Find anything interesting in the new documents? I read a lot of them but there's too many for me. Somebody will sort through it all though. They sure are good at obfuscation. Trump didn't invent fake news.
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#606  Postby proudfootz » Dec 18, 2017 1:35 am

I found the fact that the Mayor of Dallas when JFK was assassinated was a CIA asset to be interesting.

Since the CIA was supposed to keep out of domestic politics it's definitely outside of their legal interests.
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#607  Postby John Platko » Dec 18, 2017 2:41 pm

proudfootz wrote:I found the fact that the Mayor of Dallas when JFK was assassinated was a CIA asset to be interesting.

Since the CIA was supposed to keep out of domestic politics it's definitely outside of their legal interests.


Not to mention, JFK forced his brother out of the CIA.
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Re: JFK Assassination

#608  Postby proudfootz » Dec 19, 2017 1:56 am

John Platko wrote:
proudfootz wrote:I found the fact that the Mayor of Dallas when JFK was assassinated was a CIA asset to be interesting.

Since the CIA was supposed to keep out of domestic politics it's definitely outside of their legal interests.


Not to mention, JFK forced his brother out of the CIA.


It might have been a mistake for Kennedy to upset people who assassinate people for a living.
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Re: JFK Assassination

#609  Postby John Platko » Dec 19, 2017 4:19 am

proudfootz wrote:
John Platko wrote:
proudfootz wrote:I found the fact that the Mayor of Dallas when JFK was assassinated was a CIA asset to be interesting.

Since the CIA was supposed to keep out of domestic politics it's definitely outside of their legal interests.


Not to mention, JFK forced his brother out of the CIA.


It might have been a mistake for Kennedy to upset people who assassinate people for a living.


Speaking of such things. Did you see: https://www.netflix.com/title/80059446
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