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#1  Postby steampunkgirl » Mar 17, 2014 6:39 pm

Does anyone believe in karma?
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#2  Postby hackenslash » Mar 17, 2014 6:45 pm

There's a buddhist or two hereabouts.

Not me, though.

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#3  Postby steampunkgirl » Mar 17, 2014 6:46 pm

Thanks!
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#4  Postby Fallible » Mar 17, 2014 6:49 pm

Hi. Nope.
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#5  Postby laklak » Mar 17, 2014 6:50 pm

Nope, but I believe that people are often responsible for what comes their way and that's been called "karma". Or "what goes around comes around". Or as my grandmother used to say, sun doesn't shine on the same dog's ass every day.
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#6  Postby Keep It Real » Mar 17, 2014 7:00 pm

For karma to exist, there needs to be some kind of universally understood objective morality - as that objective morality doesn't exist, karma is a non-starter IMO, regardless of the fact that the existence of karma implies the existence of an invisible omniscient force to enforce it. If you do wrong, you feel guilty - I believe in that. If you do wrong, don't feel guilty and don't get apprehended by the law or other acquaintances (as doubtless happens every day) then you get away scot free.
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#7  Postby Scarlett » Mar 17, 2014 7:01 pm

No, do you?

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#8  Postby Imp » Mar 17, 2014 7:06 pm

Only when I need a quick one-liner.
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#9  Postby michael^3 » Mar 17, 2014 7:08 pm

steampunkgirl wrote:Does anyone believe in karma?


ya me
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#10  Postby hackenslash » Mar 17, 2014 7:11 pm

Now why doesn't that surprise me?
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#11  Postby michael^3 » Mar 17, 2014 7:24 pm

hackenslash wrote:Now why doesn't that surprise me?


Oh hi, hack :)
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#12  Postby kiore » Mar 17, 2014 7:31 pm

Funny you should mention this, this song's been my earworm for 2 days now..



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#13  Postby Keep It Real » Mar 17, 2014 8:08 pm

^^It's not very catchy IMO - I guess the worms of your ears have different nutritional requirements to mine.
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#14  Postby Bribase » Mar 17, 2014 9:05 pm

Not in the spiritual sense but perhaps as a good way to visualise how to elevate the community thinking of people around you. If you go around generally being shitty to everyone you meet, people will assume that it's the done thing, especially to you. If you treat people with respect and due consideration you hope that others take your lead. Thus negative actions and sentiments aren't able to sink into the background noise of general crappiness, they become exceptions, not rules. It's somewhat comparable to the broken windows theory in criminology.
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#15  Postby Arnold Layne » Mar 17, 2014 9:09 pm

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#16  Postby igorfrankensteen » Mar 17, 2014 10:19 pm

Weeell, I don't go for the whole structured, someone-made-rules-of-niceness-and-that's-why version of "karma. But since both the physical world and the social world IS subject to at least general cause and effect, I would say that something vaguely akin to "karma" MIGHT be a way to describe things.

It's just that I think of things like the fact that Caesar was assassinated...and he was assassinated because he made himself powerful enough that people WANTED to kill him...and it is likely that had he decided to be a cobbler instead, it would be much less likely that he would have been murdered by a dozen or so "friends"...that a case can be made at least that the universe DOES contain a certain amount of natural ad logical consequences. You want to call that Karma?
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#17  Postby Beatsong » Mar 17, 2014 10:40 pm

Karma is one of those things that has been heavily diluted and adapted from its original Buddhist roots, to mean something pretty much as ordinary as "cause and effect" within new age spirituality. It's hard to argue about the existence of something as obvious as that.

But karma in an actual Buddhist sense is inseparable from rebirth, and doesn't make any sense without the concept of rebirth. Unfortunately I could never get my head around rebirth and even understand how it was supposed to work within Buddhist teaching, let alone believe in it. There are just too many contradictions and things that don't make sense. So lacking belief in that, I can't believe in karma either.
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#18  Postby Kenaz » Mar 17, 2014 10:49 pm

Why believe in it, or anything? What would constitute sufficient evidence to validate the concept of karma, anyhow? Do we even need to claim such a notion to understand our experiences?
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#19  Postby DougC » Mar 18, 2014 1:42 am

No, but welcome. :cheers:
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#20  Postby Blackadder » Mar 18, 2014 3:31 am

Karma, no. Korma, yes.
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