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Re: Motte and Bailey Doctrine

#21  Postby Spearthrower » May 15, 2019 2:00 pm

At least in the topics of which I gave examples, this is not going to net any desired result. All you'll be doing is helping them lend legitimacy to their bailey argument.
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Re: Motte and Bailey Doctrine

#22  Postby proudfootz » May 16, 2019 9:51 pm

Spearthrower wrote:To exemplify that... go back to an earlier cited example:

bailey: white nations are being subjected to genocide by immigration
challenge delusional racism
motte: why is it racist to want to preserve our history and culture?

It's easy to get stuck responding to the motte argument. You might start trying to define culture or talk about historical events which are racist... and thereby basically let them defend their motte.

You don't want to attack that motte, so stay in the bailey rampaging...

bailey: white nations are being subjected to genocide by immigration
challenge delusional racism
motte: why is it racist to want to preserve our history and culture?
response: it's not... but claiming that white nations are being subjected to genocide by immigration is racist because <restate challenge>

Keep doing it never letting the motte argument get any purchase. People who are using this device intentionally are going to get frustrated far more quickly than you because they're stuck waiting in a cramped space they never wanted to be in while you're going to be running around liberally plundering their bailey uncontested.


If this was completely map-able to Medieval warfare, it would be very effective to occupy the bailey and deprive the motte of its sustenance.
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Re: Motte and Bailey Doctrine

#23  Postby Spearthrower » May 17, 2019 1:30 am

proudfootz wrote:
If this was completely map-able to Medieval warfare, it would be very effective to occupy the bailey and deprive the motte of its sustenance.


It is, analogously, but I suspect most people would get bored in a metaphorical siege, eventually leaving to let the proponent come out and reclaim their bailey once you've gone.
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Re: Motte and Bailey Doctrine

#24  Postby Hermit » May 17, 2019 7:00 am

Spearthrower wrote:
proudfootz wrote:
If this was completely map-able to Medieval warfare, it would be very effective to occupy the bailey and deprive the motte of its sustenance.

It is, analogously, but I suspect most people would get bored in a metaphorical siege, eventually leaving to let the proponent come out and reclaim their bailey once you've gone.

If all goes well, the proponent might find slightly fewer loyal and real inhabitants in his metaphorical bailiwick once you've gone.
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