Poison in Energy Drinks

Alan B · **#61** by **Alan B** » Nov 05, 2011 9:15 am

"100% Natural Ingredients"?
What the f*ck are "Un-natural Ingredients"?

Alan C · **#62** by **Alan C** » Nov 08, 2011 4:18 am

Indeed. Some of the things I pick up say things like 'no nasty chemicals'. Huh? It's all chemicals, I'd say the thing to differentiate would be characteristics such as toxicity?

Wuffy · **#63** by **Wuffy** » Nov 08, 2011 6:27 am

Aaah but they aren't 'Nasty' ones. "Dontcha no."

Berthold · **#64** by **Berthold** » Dec 22, 2011 10:00 am

Alan B wrote:"100% Natural Ingredients"?
What the f*ck are "Un-natural Ingredients"?

Nectar and ambrosia? :grin:

Onyx8 · **#65** by **Onyx8** » Dec 22, 2011 5:15 pm

Yeah, let's drink 'natural' stuff like creosote.

Umakemyheadswim · **#66** by **Umakemyheadswim** » Dec 24, 2011 3:08 pm

Oh crap...I 've had like 1 to 2 energy drinks every day for the last year. :shock:

Umakemyheadswim · **#67** by **Umakemyheadswim** » Dec 24, 2011 3:09 pm

All I know is the Monster Rhojo tea, and the lemon tea are amazing.

johnbrandt · **#68** by **johnbrandt** » Jan 12, 2012 2:52 pm

PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn wrote:I looked at the site. fucking hell, written by the stupids...... (actually at this point I've decided I should put in an apology I'm going to use the word fuck on quite a regular occurrence because words are failing me with regards the stupidity)

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Aspartame chemical (hence sugar free ). Chemical? Yes

fuck me sideways with a Christmas tree, what is glucose, oh yeah, a fucking chemical, whats that your breathing, just chemicals.... what makes up the majority of the drink, only a fucking chemical called dihydrogen monoxide.... fuck sake,

just for reference
wiki wrote:In chemistry, a chemical substance is a form of matter that has constant chemical composition and characteristic properties.[1] It cannot be separated into components by physical separation methods, i.e. without breaking chemical bonds. They can be solids, liquids or gases.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_substance

Exactly...I used to have endless fun with some people who would ring the quality control department at the brewed soft drink factory I used to work at (we fielded the complaints from the public), when they would say things like "You're producing something that has chemicals in it!". Yes, dildo...everything has chemicals in it...

My other pet hate is people who think there's a difference between sugar and sugar..."natural" sugar, and "refined" sugar, and "fruit" sugars...they're all sugars, they all pack in kilojoules and will make you fat if you have too many of them, but they're all prety much the same suff.

Just A Theory · **#69** by **Just A Theory** » Jan 12, 2012 11:29 pm

alinamtvilec wrote:Dear laklak.
Now, conventional cancer therapy is not very ineffective.

You're right about that.

Mike_L · **#70** by **Mike_L** » Jan 17, 2012 8:34 am

An update from Australia...

Emergency calls highlight energy drink danger
Tuesday, 17 January 2012
by Renae Soppe, Cosmos Online

SYDNEY: The dangerous side effects of energy drinks have been highlighted by a reported increase in calls to emergency departments and poisons centres, say Australian scientists.

A study published this week in The Medical Journal of Australia is the first toxicology study to assess the risks of energy drink consumption by monitoring the caffeine-related toxicity claims received by hospitals and poisons centres.

"The main objective was to look at what is happening [with energy drinks] and better inform the public about the reported benefits of energy drinks - which are pretty much not true - and the potential dangers of energy drinks," said lead author and toxicologist Naren Gunja from the University of Sydney, and medical director of the New South Wales Poisons Information Centre in Sydney. "We found that there were almost 300 calls increasing over the seven-year period between 2004 and 2010."

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Full article at:
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/5175/emergency-calls-highlight-energy-drink-danger

The_Metatron · **#71** by **The_Metatron** » Jan 17, 2012 1:24 pm

I read that article. I was curious what the LD50 for caffeine is in humans. Oh, I can find how much caffeine kills a rat easily enough. But in humans, it is harder to find. It appears that the LD50 of caffeine in humans is "about 150 to 200 milligrams per kilogram of body mass" (Chattopadhya, 2006). Since that happens to be around the amount of caffeine in a single cup of coffee, or sometimes one of these energy drinks, I would have to drink a hundred cups of coffee or fifty cans of Red Bull to get a lethal dose of caffeine.

I think this is rare.

Chattopadhya, D. World Health OrganIzation India Office, Sustainable Development & Healthy Environment, Food Safety. (2006). Caffeine and human health. Retrieved from website: http://whoindia.org/LinkFiles/Chemical_Safety_Caffeine_and_Human_Health.pdf

PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn · **#72** by **PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn** » Jan 17, 2012 6:44 pm

Mike_L wrote:An update from Australia...

Emergency calls highlight energy drink danger
Tuesday, 17 January 2012
by Renae Soppe, Cosmos Online

SYDNEY: The dangerous side effects of energy drinks have been highlighted by a reported increase in calls to emergency departments and poisons centres, say Australian scientists.

A study published this week in The Medical Journal of Australia is the first toxicology study to assess the risks of energy drink consumption by monitoring the caffeine-related toxicity claims received by hospitals and poisons centres.

"The main objective was to look at what is happening [with energy drinks] and better inform the public about the reported benefits of energy drinks - which are pretty much not true - and the potential dangers of energy drinks," said lead author and toxicologist Naren Gunja from the University of Sydney, and medical director of the New South Wales Poisons Information Centre in Sydney. "We found that there were almost 300 calls increasing over the seven-year period between 2004 and 2010."
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Full article at:
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/5175/emergency-calls-highlight-energy-drink-danger

I've only skimmed the original paper, I should be revising, so cant be arsed to do a proper read though of it,

but considering the numbers.

NSW Poisons Information Centre (NSWPIC) — the largest centre of its type in Australia, taking about 110 000 calls per year, which is 50% of all poisoning-related calls in the country.

Results

Over the 7-year period that we examined, data for 297 calls related to caffeinated energy drink exposures were recorded.

so thats about 42.5 people a year, or 0.0425% of the calls they receive per year

when you look further at the breakdown of the figures

The most common exposure type was recreational (217); other exposures were classified as accidental paediatric (62), deliberate self-poisoning as part of a polypharmacy overdose (16), allergic reaction (1) and paediatric lactational exposure (1).

looking at the 2 main categories

he most commonly reported symptoms were related to gastrointestinal upset and sympathetic overdrive, as can be predicted for caffeine toxicity. Twenty-one callers reported signs of serious toxicity such as hallucinations, seizures, and cardiac ischaemia.

Sixty-two children were reported to have accidentally ingested energy drinks (mean age, 38 months; SD, 24 months; range, 7–120 months). Of these, 14 had symptoms probably related to energy drink consumption — most commonly hyperactivity (Box 4) — and nine required assessment in hospital.

the paper if your interested.

given the wide range of reports (from upset stomach through to attempted suicide) and the low numbers I dont think this is quite as dramatic as the magazine article makes it out to be.

Onyx8 · **#73** by **Onyx8** » Jan 18, 2012 12:06 am

What a shock! (Not) But thanks for the work.

Mike_L · **#74** by **Mike_L** » Jan 18, 2012 7:43 am

@ The_Metatron and Psychotic_Madman...

Thanks for those interesting articles and for your balanced, sober-minded synopses thereof. :thumbup:

I have to agree that the "risks" of energy drinks (and caffeine in general), as presented in the Cosmos magazine article, seem to be somewhat exaggerated!

Wuffy · **#75** by **Wuffy** » Jan 18, 2012 8:31 am

One of the bigger troubles I see with energy drinks is that people like to mi them with Alcohol. That can't be healthy.

lucek · **#76** by **lucek** » Mar 01, 2012 2:42 pm

From what I can tell there has been 1 case of death by energy drink and that's from someone making their own. Sorry but if you should get a Darwin award for buying powdered caffeine and mixing it into you're own special keep me up juice, I don't think you should be counted in a regular sample.

Oh for a note, caffeine drinks and alcohol together, may in fact be healthy in moderation but lets take the preliminary research as what it is. Even then there is no sign that the combination is any worse then the components. Both are a diuretic but that's a minor effect. Caffeine is a stimulant Alcohol is a barbiturate. The only reason I see to make the above statement is they both can affect heart disease, so like the individual ingredients drinking both is probably a bad idea right along side fatty foods and ginseng.

Weaver · **#77** by **Weaver** » Mar 01, 2012 3:56 pm

The problem with mixing caffeinated energy drinks with alcohol is that the drinker - particularly novice drinkers - gets a significantly higher final alcohol dose - the caffeine suppresses the "normal" tendency to feel tired as the alcohol takes effect, so drinking continues longer than it would naturally.

The ambulance company I volunteer with has seen a significant upswing in alcohol overdose cases, and mixture with energy drinks feature prominently in the number of cases we transport.

And a correction to Lucek - Alcohol is not a barbiturate, it's a CNS depressant.

lucek · **#78** by **lucek** » Mar 01, 2012 6:07 pm

Weaver wrote:The problem with mixing caffeinated energy drinks with alcohol is that the drinker - particularly novice drinkers - gets a significantly higher final alcohol dose - the caffeine suppresses the "normal" tendency to feel tired as the alcohol takes effect, so drinking continues longer than it would naturally.

The ambulance company I volunteer with has seen a significant upswing in alcohol overdose cases, and mixture with energy drinks feature prominently in the number of cases we transport.

And a correction to Lucek - Alcohol is not a barbiturate, it's a CNS depressant.

I'm a bit rusting in terms of drug clarification. Thanks for the correction. Now I would note again I didn't say that the combination wouldn't lead to unhealthy behavior just that the combination being described as unhealthy isn't deserved.

Weaver · **#79** by **Weaver** » Mar 01, 2012 6:10 pm

Oh, I agree that there's nothing inherently unhealthy about a single beverage containing alcohol and energy drink. The problem comes in with the drinking behavior that follows consumption, when compared to other non-alcohol mixers.

lucek · **#80** by **lucek** » Mar 01, 2012 7:48 pm

Yes adding alcohol to any drink has that effect, still doesn't justify the claim above.

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