Keep It Real wrote:There were ""s there dude...

Even with the quote, it makes no sense. There is nothing immaterial with the brain. Neurons, electricity, chemical processes. That's all there is, that's all the brain needs to store information.

ETA : and synapses of course.

Is there not controversy over whether or not an electron has mass? Or a photon, which delivers the education straight to our brains as we participate in this forum, for example? Or a sound wave traveling through air or water - where is that mass? I think we agree that the brain is entirely physical straight up matter aban, it's just that, back ot, perhaps that matter can be overwhelmingly curatively treated with immaterial tools (ie. not psychiatry/meds) as it is sensitive to those influences? One day? And as discussed earlier; neurologists have got epilepsy et al covered...

Not bad for a Sunday...

Keep It Real wrote:Is there not controversy over whether or not an electron has mass? Or a photon, which delivers the education straight to our brains as we participate in this forum, for example? Or a sound wave traveling through air or water - where is that mass? I think we agree that the brain is entirely physical straight up matter aban, it's just that, back ot, perhaps that matter can be overwhelmingly curatively treated with immaterial tools (ie. not psychiatry/meds) as it is sensitive to those influences? One day? And as discussed earlier; neurologists have got epilepsy et al covered...

What are 'immaterial tools'?

Tools lacking physically quantifiable matter (ie. mass/kg weight (well mg weight if we're talking about psychiatry innit)).

Such as what?

Keep It Real wrote:Is there not controversy over whether or not an electron has mass?

No, there isn't, so you're not off to a good start here, assuming you're asking the question because you believe there is controversy.

Keep It Real wrote:Or a photon, which delivers the education straight to our brains as we participate in this forum, for example?

Mass and energy are equivalent, or hadn't you heard? You can get dicy with this and start in on QED (quantum electrodynamics, but you'll have to take the lead in saying there's no "there" there. The rest of your waffle seems to be about "things" which have to be "there", in some sense. This is an ancient waffle, but people carry it on because they can't keep up.

Keep It Real wrote:Or a sound wave traveling through air or water - where is that mass?

There's that ancient waffle, again. See above, about your myopic focus on "things" that have to be "there" in some sense in order for you to treat them as physical, rather than mental. Sure, you can argue that waves are conceptual, but so what? Waves are not analyzed without assuming physical processes in physical media. If the ancient waffle was good enough for the Greeks, then it's apparently good enough for you.

Keep It Real wrote:I think we agree that the brain is entirely physical straight up matter aban, it's just that, back ot, perhaps that matter can be overwhelmingly curatively treated with immaterial tools (ie. not psychiatry/meds) as it is sensitive to those influences?

At last, you're trying to make some sort of point about the way thinking is "immaterial", but see above, for the ancient waffle about waves and such. Try again, because it's not clear what your point is.

It might not be clear to you m8, but it seems clear to me currently.

Fallible wrote:Such as what?

Electrons, photons, soundwaves - speach particularly...specialist therapeutic speach...in the flesh is best fal...as you've been saying for years actually ..props...imHo.

Did I speel speech propperly :eyeroll:

Keep It Real wrote:It might not be clear to you m8, but it seems clear to me currently.

So glad that everything is so clear to you. That leaves you stuck up inside your head with thoughts you can't communicate.

Just 'cos YOU can't hear them ATM. Properly.

Speech, I suppose you mean. How do you think this 'education' is transmitted and processed? Fairy dust?

A CD player plays the CD fal; but I'm sure you wouldn't argue that it is the CD which is more important.

Keep It Real wrote:A CD player plays the CD fal; but I'm sure you wouldn't argue that it is the CD which is more important.

Ah, a challenge! We can argue all day about what's important, but really, you'll only ever articulate what's important to you, and talk politics the rest of the time. Three cheers if and when you can do that.

Keep It Real wrote:Just 'cos YOU can't hear them ATM. Properly.

If someone's listening for immaterial tools, whose fault is it if they're not beamed into the aether with enough feelingness to be channelled into the soul's awareness?

Keep It Real wrote:A CD player plays the CD fal; but I'm sure you wouldn't argue that it is the CD which is more important.

Oh well, you're sure. I guess we can all go home. I'm no match for your angel pinhead awareness.

Fallible wrote:

Keep It Real wrote:Just 'cos YOU can't hear them ATM. Properly.

If someone's listening for immaterial tools, whose fault is it if they're not beamed into the aether with enough feelingness to be channelled into the soul's awareness?

This goes to the heart of what Lucid is getting at in the other thread, the one about social evolution.

Ayup.

Fallible wrote:

Keep It Real wrote:A CD player plays the CD fal; but I'm sure you wouldn't argue that it is the CD which is more important.

Oh well, you're sure. I guess we can all go home. I'm no match for your angel pinhead awareness.

No real need to call confidence pinheadnesses is there? I remember you saying I am intelligent once upon a time.