Diluted water, a flat earth, and a talking snake. Nothing gets under the skin of a sciency bully with an inferiority complex better than an easy target. The Bill Nyes of the world go on and on about how morally “evil” those things are, yet they make all the excuses for a real pseudoscience like psychiatry. Multiple personalities, recovered memories, hypnosis, these are things with real consequences that are used to put people away in prison. Billions of dollars are diverted to them via socialist health care. A third of boys are on the street drug Ritalin. A third of girls are on antidepressants. Schools have contracts with them. Mental hospitals had to be shut down because of all the child abuse. Fraud, routinely exposed by statisticians, is build atop other frauds.

Discuss:

You apparently think that everyone else should make the effort to discuss while you just go on to give each of your brain farts a separate thread, filling the forum up with shit.

Discuss:

I don't know whether recovered memories and the effectiveness of antidepressants is the literal exact same thing.

Until now, I'd always thought it wasn't.

To be fair, you do have half, or maybe a quarter of a point hiding somewhere in the OP this time. There is a lot of dodgy and pseudo- science mixed in with the valid stuff in some fields and this isn't exclusive to psychiatry or even psychology, it's true of social science in general, if not more widely.

This is almost essential reading in my view:
http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/a ... ed.0020124

Exactly how this discussion is aided by flamebait about Bill Nye being angry, I could not say.

Thommo wrote:I don't know whether recovered memories and the effectiveness of antidepressants is the literal exact same thing.

Until now, I'd always thought it wasn't.

To be fair, you do have half, or maybe a quarter of a point hiding somewhere in the OP this time. There is a lot of dodgy and pseudo- science mixed in with the valid stuff in some fields and this isn't exclusive to psychiatry or even psychology, it's true of social science in general, if not more widely.

This is almost essential reading in my view:
http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/a ... ed.0020124

Exactly how this discussion is aided by flamebait about Bill Nye being angry, I could not say.

I remember reading a meta-analysis (australian, I think) showing that 85% of studies on psychology had results that could not be reproduced. But just like you, I don't think this is where the OP wanted to go.

Unfortunately due to the current immense shortage of properly trained and deployed talking therapists psychiatry is necessary IMO. Perhaps it will be gone one day.

It'll be gone when people no longer have physical problems which affect the brain.

aban57 wrote:

Thommo wrote:I don't know whether recovered memories and the effectiveness of antidepressants is the literal exact same thing.

Until now, I'd always thought it wasn't.

To be fair, you do have half, or maybe a quarter of a point hiding somewhere in the OP this time. There is a lot of dodgy and pseudo- science mixed in with the valid stuff in some fields and this isn't exclusive to psychiatry or even psychology, it's true of social science in general, if not more widely.

This is almost essential reading in my view:
http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/a ... ed.0020124

Exactly how this discussion is aided by flamebait about Bill Nye being angry, I could not say.

I remember reading a meta-analysis (australian, I think) showing that 85% of studies on psychology had results that could not be reproduced. But just like you, I don't think this is where the OP wanted to go.

Unfortunately no one could reproduce the results of that meta-analysis...

Fallible wrote:It'll be gone when people no longer have physical problems which affect the brain.

Yes I nearly added a caveat to that effect but wasn't sure how to isolate it...don't neurologists, not psychiatrists, treat things like epilepsy, thinking on?

Yes. That's not what I meant though. Mental illness takes place in the brain, a physical organ.

If only the ghost of Descartes were a member of this forum

Des Cartes? Any relation to Des Lynam?

Alan B wrote:Des Cartes? Any relation to Des Lynam?

No, that's des cartes, in French :

Fallible wrote:It'll be gone when people no longer have physical problems which affect the brain.

The physical problems which affect the brain exist in the brain - a physical organ, as you say, although they are frequently shaped by pure information in the form of environmental influences. How could a problem exist in the neurons of the brain if it were not physical? (Rhetorical).

Howis that an 'although'?

As the structure (regarding the operational functionality) of the brain is frequently derived from immaterial environmental influences, in a way said neurons are are made of non-physical "matter". Therefore "although".

non-physical matter ? Are you drunk ?

There were ""s there dude...

And no - I'm not.

Keep It Real wrote:As the structure (regarding the operational functionality) of the brain is frequently derived from immaterial environmental influences, in a way said neurons are are made of non-physical "matter". Therefore "although".

Er...no. Do you know what a neurone is? Do you know what matter is, for that...matter? The 'structure of the brain is frequently derived from...' is a really clumsy set of words. So is 'immaterial environmental influences'. What are you talking about?