laklak wrote:Let them die off in the next pandemic, the world will be a much better place without them.
If only measles had such a high mortality rate.
about vaccine harm concealment conspiracy
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laklak wrote:Let them die off in the next pandemic, the world will be a much better place without them.
ontodva wrote:What can I say to someone who believes that vaccines spread disease and a widespread conspiracy within the medical and other establishments are concealing the truth - that vaccines are very harmful?
I would like to suggest that such a conspiracy would be impossible to maintain because multiple defections of those with knowledge of the truth would expose the conspiracy and the real situation. The defectors would have impeccable qualifications and career histories, their exposures would tally, and they would be extremely hard to deny.
Except the world endured decades of being mislead about the danger to health of dietary sugar and the relative safety of dietary fat. When the truth - and how can we now be sure it is the truth - emerged the story was of a conspiracy of researchers at the top of their professions who prevented rising researchers from publishing the truth, who systematically denied the worth of existing evidence, and who intimidated researchers with chilling effect tactics and mislead the field of dietary science, and the whole world, from the 1970s to the 2010s, with the enthusiastic support of the food industry.
In the light of this how can I convince anyone that a conspiracy around the safety and efficacy of vaccines is unlikely to be true in the first place and unable to be maintained for so long?
That is, convince without resort to a catalogue of facts but just by simple reason. If I need to give multiple facts and fit them into a narrative to produce an explanatory history of the controversy I have already lost the argument because all these 'facts' and 'events' would need justification, the justifications would entail more 'facts', and so on.
As with any medical treatment, there is a potential for vaccines to cause serious complications, such as severe allergic reactions, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_hesitancy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_h ... mon_themes
but unlike most other medical interventions, vaccines are given to healthy people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_h ... mon_themes
While serious complications from vaccinations are possible, they are extremely rare and much less common than similar risks from the diseases they prevent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_h ... mon_themes
Thiomersal (spelled "thimerosal" in the US) is an antifungal preservative used in small amounts in some multi-dose vaccines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_h ... mon_themes
A vaccine containing 0.01% thiomersal has 25 micrograms of mercury per 0.5 mL dose, roughly the same amount of elemental mercury found in a three-ounce can of tuna. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_h ... mon_themes
Infants are exposed to greater quantities of aluminum in daily life in breastmilk and infant formula than in vaccines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_h ... mon_themes
This is part of the reason Pakistan and Afghanistan are the only countries where polio still remained endemic as of 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_h ... mon_themes
theropod wrote:I grew up under the real and present threat of polio. A grade school classmate of mine contracted polio and was left with useless legs. Polio is a horror and the vaccine eradicated it. Smallpox is a horror and the vaccine eradicated it. Vaccines work. Don’t waste a single breath arguing with nutbuckets that “know” otherwise.
RS
by 2006 South Africa had joined the vast majority of countries declared polio-free. But in 2017, WHO quietly withdrew South Africa’s certification – putting us among seven African countries not certified polio-free.
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