The Obligatory 9/11 Thread Part II

[Shrunk]

Yes, it certainly is. I'll repeat the question in case you missed it: what the fuck is a "natural collapse" of a structure? I mean, one would have to define that before one could measure it's "speed", wouldn't one?

Gravitational acceleration in free fall is unchanged regardless of the cause.

Not in junk science. The question is whether that pertains in "9/11 Science."

[laklak]

Problem is the towers weren't in free fall. They were banging into fucktons of steel and concrete on the way dawn, Each structural element was connected to other structural elements, which were in turn connected to yet other elements, making up multiple fucktons of steel and concrete. To be most correct, NOTHING within the planet's atmosphere is in free fall, which is why they put the disclaimer "ignore air resistance" or "ignore friction" in so many physics 101 problems.

[felltoearth]

Gravitational acceleration in free fall is unchanged regardless of the cause.

psik

I think you need to read this sentence over and over again until you realize that your own words undermine practically everything you have spewed onto the internet. And then cry because of all the years you have wasted on your nonsense.

[Wilbur]

8 years of terrifying incompetence on the part of the Bush Government

Specifically?

[Prog Snob]

8 years of terrifying incompetence on the part of the Bush Government

Specifically?

Yes please provide examples. I could provide many examples of good that he did, but to outright say eight years was all incompetence is nothing but mindless ranting without any provable evidence.

[psikeyhackr]

Gravitational acceleration in free fall is unchanged regardless of the cause.

psik

I think you need to read this sentence over and over again until you realize that your own words undermine practically everything you have spewed onto the internet. And then cry because of all the years you have wasted on your nonsense.

Obviously one of us has a problem with thinking. Gravitational acceleration may be the same but that does not mean that additional factors will not slow things down. It is a matter of determining additional factors.

psik

[psikeyhackr]

8 years of terrifying incompetence on the part of the Bush Government

Specifically?

Yes please provide examples. I could provide many examples of good that he did, but to outright say eight years was all incompetence is nothing but mindless ranting without any provable evidence.

I thought the point of your starting the thread was science involving 9/11.

psik

[tolman]

But science doesn't involve pretending the towers fell in free fall when evidence suggests that they didn't, and when no feasible hypothetical demolition explanation would suggest they would do so if they had been demolished.

What you're trying to claim or (just as bad) imply, apparently without any relevant knowledge, is that any non-demolition collapse would have to have taken far longer than the collapses actually took.

Your constant harping on about '15 floors destroying the rest' demonstrates that either you haven't got a clue about the structures and their potential failure modes (or, indeed, the official explanation of how they collapsed), or you do have a clue, but that for some unpleasant reason, you're pretending that you don't.

[Prog Snob]

8 years of terrifying incompetence on the part of the Bush Government

Specifically?

Yes please provide examples. I could provide many examples of good that he did, but to outright say eight years was all incompetence is nothing but mindless ranting without any provable evidence.

I thought the point of your starting the thread was science involving 9/11.

psik

It is. Sorry. I just hate random comments by people with nothing else to offer. Excuse my digression.

[psikeyhackr]

It is. Sorry. I just hate random comments by people with nothing else to offer. Excuse my digression.

That is part of why we had that infinite thread. But you have only gotten 3 links so far:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7IVCSpalbA

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... 4/4278874/

Any comments on any of them?

psik

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[Nicko]

Even Tasmania intercepts airplanes faster.

Evidence for this?

Given that we - I'm Tasmanian for those who don't know - don't have a single fighter jet stationed in the state, I'm going with, "He just made that shit up."

But you all knew that anyway, right?

[Agi Hammerthief]

Building collapse, from fire in the upper levels by the looks
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/01/t ... 05960.html

[quas]

Building collapse, from fire in the upper levels by the looks
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/01/t ... 05960.html

The 17-storey building, dating from the early 1960s and including a shopping centre and clothing workshops, was among the first high-rises built in the Iranian capital...

Not sure if you have an apple-to-apple comparison here.
Old building built according to Iranian standards (whatever that means) versus newer building built according to standards when America was great.

[quas]

Whereas the WTC towers looked like they fell into their own footprints, this Iranian tower actually toppled over like Obama's popularity. Does that make sense to you?

[Weaver]

Toppled over like Obama's popularity - you mean the guy who is still one of the most popular Presidents in history at the end of his term?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38667115

Two new polls show President Barack Obama leaving office with one of the highest approval ratings for any departing US president.
Separate polls conducted by The Washington Post/ABC and CNN/ORC both found Mr Obama with 60% approval.
A majority approve of his economic policy, but polls show a deep divide between Democrats and Republicans.
The nation's first African American president will hold his final press conference later on Wednesday.
Only Presidents Ronald Reagan, Franklin D Roosevelt and Bill Clinton have handed over the White House keys with higher favourability ratings.

As to the building toppling vs collapsing straight downward - as has been discussed ad nauseum, the WTC used a very different construction method than the vast majority of high rise buildings. Direct comparisons of the collapse footprint don't demonstrate anything other than the fact that the buildings were built differently.

[Agi Hammerthief]

Whereas the WTC towers looked like they fell into their own footprints,

The debris where spilled over a much larger area than "own footprint"
The iranian tower probably landed on a smaller area compared to it's original footprint than wtc 1&2

need more video footage to comment, but thought it looked like it might be close enough.

[Weaver]

Yeah, the claim that WTC 1&2 collapsed "entirely within their own footprint" is directly refuted by the amount of debris which fell onto WTC7, causing the fires and eventual collapse of that building.

It's a silly slogan designed to obscure facts and paint a false narrative of the events.

[blackhash]

I found out that 9/11 was an inside job immediately after the attack on twin towers. Americans are now planning to kill me. Their argument is :American privacy has been violated. Really weird logic. Has anyone heard of organisations having privacy? On top of that Americans with the help of their satellites are violating my privacy to get even.They have employed an AI to analyse everything. Everyone has something that one hides from the world. Americans tell me otherwise.
Where is the butcher of megalomaniacs?