I think the common belief that it is going bad with the world is wrong.
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hyena wrote:
A lot of people think it's getting worse and worse in this world, never were there such weapons that could do mass murdering. They think in the future we will be some kind of George Orwell - 1984.
I'm With Stupid wrote:I remember a story a while back about how Vienna was the best city to live in. They interviewed people from Vienna, and every single one of them pointed out how it's actually not that good. The point being that the very fact that they're always dissatisfied is probably why they're living in the best city in the world.
Mazille wrote:I'm With Stupid wrote:I remember a story a while back about how Vienna was the best city to live in. They interviewed people from Vienna, and every single one of them pointed out how it's actually not that good. The point being that the very fact that they're always dissatisfied is probably why they're living in the best city in the world.
No, that's just a Viennese thing. We call it "raunzen" (similar to "grumble" or "grouse") and we're very good at it.
Scarlett wrote:Mazille wrote:I'm With Stupid wrote:I remember a story a while back about how Vienna was the best city to live in. They interviewed people from Vienna, and every single one of them pointed out how it's actually not that good. The point being that the very fact that they're always dissatisfied is probably why they're living in the best city in the world.
No, that's just a Viennese thing. We call it "raunzen" (similar to "grumble" or "grouse") and we're very good at it.
Do they tell you the truth when you ask "How are you?"?
Scarlett wrote:Brits are famous for lying, we say "Fine thanks" even if we're utterly shite
P.s. Vienna is top of my list of cities to visit some day, it's my husband's favourite city. He travelled a lot with the RAF, lucky bugger
tuco wrote:I am not sure. With all those people coming out of poverty it seems to be only a question of time when there will not be enough resources for everyone. Perhaps there will be, I do not have a crystal ball, but to claim the world is getting better, or worse, I would not dare. Then again, it might be because I do not recognize value judgements of this kind in the first place. BTW world = humans?
I agree with you, and others have made the same point. The trouble is, I think, with the ease of communication when combined with the human tendency to concentrate on negatives. All we see is negatives but the truth is that the world is improving.
tuco wrote:If everyone in the world would live like I do, I am not sure there would be enough resources for everyone. In such situation, I would not dare to say .. its getting better .. no matter what kind of statistic from past I could gather. But as I said, I would not call (current) state of the world better or worse as I do not operate with such term so statistics do not really matter. I could, for example, take loan after loan to increase my well-being, do graphs and say: I am getting better, while in reality I was in deep shit fooling myself.
tuco wrote: Its interesting that the world = humans. How about butterflies for example, is it getting better for them too? And if not, how does it reflect to the world = humans? etc etc Ecosystems we live in, while indifferent to statistics, have huge influence over what some call getting better. I do not see the statistics presented to reflect this human debt to ecosystems.
Agrippina wrote:In my post I argued exactly this. Since the beginning of time, old people have been scratching their chins and whining about how "young people aren't the way they are when we were young." It's really nice to see someone saying the opposite. I also think that despite all the drama of social revolution going on all over the place, it is far better than it was in the past.
"two dollars for a mars bar! I remember when.." "WHAT what do you remember? Fucking slavery! Shutup."
tuco wrote:I have two points.
1. Whats better is subjective and since reasons of the people mentioned in OP: A lot of people think it's getting worse and worse in this world are not stated nor obvious, I fail to see what the statistical evidence is to support. Oh yeah, that the world is getting better ..
2. Statistical evidence presented has limited value as it covers fraction of what the world consists of. It does not cover butterflies for example. While humans are .. the most important things in this world, they do not live in vacuum. Then to talk about the world as equal to human, predefined, well-being is at least simplistic.
BTW are people today happier than people say I dunno 5000 years ago? They should be since they are getting better.
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