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#1  Postby Mr. Skeptic » Mar 08, 2020 4:14 am

"science/mathematics ends in meaninglessness

Magister colin leslie dean the only modern Renaissance man with 9 degrees including 4 masters: B,Sc, BA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, MA (Psychoanalytic studies), Master of Psychoanalytic studies, Grad Cert (Literary studies) : who proved Godels theorems to be invalid

He is also Australia's leading erotic poet

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/book-genre/poetry/

and showed science/mathematics ends in meaninglessness

1)Mathematics/science ends in contradiction:an integer=a non-integer

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp ... ssible.pdf

2)Mathematics ends in contradiction:6 examples example 1 it is proven 1+1=1

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp ... MATICS.pdf

all very simple and clear

the facts are

1) it is proven an integer = a non-integer

1 is a finite number it stops

A finite decimal is one that stops, like 0.157

A non-finite decimal like 0.888... does not stop

A non-finite decimal like 0.999... does not stop

when a finite number 1 = a non-finite number 0.999.. then maths ends in contradiction

another way

1 is an integer a whole number

0.888... is a non-integer it is not a whole number

0.999... is a non-integer not a whole number

when a integer 1 =a non-integer 0.999... maths ends in contradiction

)1)Darwins book is called On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection ....

but

this paper shows natural selection is not the origin of new species Natural selection is not the origin of new species

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/bo ... ection.pdf

"Natural selection does not generate new genes/species Natural selection adds no new genetic information as it only

deals with the passing on of genes/traits already present and it will be pointed out genetics cannot account for

the generation of new species/genes as it is claimed the generation of new genes [via mutation] is a random

process due to radiation, viruses, chemicals etc and genetic cannot account for these process happening as they

are out side the scope of genetics physics, chaos theory etc may give some explanation but genetics cant"

2) Biologist cant tell us what a species is -without contradiction thus evolution theory ie evolving species is nonsense

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp ... TS-DON.pdf

Biologists agree there is species hybridization

but that contradicts what a species is

3) biologist tell us they investigate life

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp ... cience.pdf

but

they cant tell us what life is-they can tell us what life does but cant tell us what life is they cant even give a

definition of life that is not nonsense"

https://www.reddit.com/r/PostPoMo/comme ... s_ends_in/

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https://www.amazon.com/Science-Wrong-Ab ... 1938398319

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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#2  Postby Hermit » Mar 08, 2020 6:52 am

Colin Leslie Dean does not even have his own Wikipedia article, so who is interested in what he is up to?

He does get a mention in a Wikipedia article about the decadent movement, though.
Australia Like in America few prominent writers or artists in Australia were connected with the Decadent movement. The only Australian decadent poet Colin Leslie Dean has struggled to find an audience; this is perhaps because according to some Australian critics, i.e. C.J. Dennis Australia is a country of wowser and culturally detest the art forms of the fin de siècle. Colin Leslie Dean poems are very emotional they challenge conventional notions of decorum by using and abusing such tropes and figures as metaphor, hyperbole, paradox, anaphora, hyperbaton, hypotaxis and parataxis, paronomasia, and oxymoron. Deans poems produce copia and variety and cultivates concordia discors and antithesis – Dean uses these strategies to produce allegory and conceit. Deans work has been described as

    "Paraphrasing Baudelaire “When you think of what [Australian] poetry was before [Dean ] appeared and what a rejuvenation it [will undergo] since his arrival when you imagine how significant it would have been if he had not appeared how many deep and mysterious feelings which have been put into words would have remained unexpressed how many intelligent minds he...[will being into]...it is impossible not to consider him as one of those rare and providential minds who in the domain of [poetry] bring about the salvation of us all...”(“Victor Hugo Selected poems Brooks haxton Penguin Books 2002 p.xv) with his groundbreaking poems who knows which new Ko ‘Lin or kohl'in al-deen

Grammar and content-wise that's an atrociously badly written comment, but I don't care. From what I can tell it's about a nobody, and my curiosity about him is already exhausted.
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#3  Postby Animavore » Mar 08, 2020 7:02 am

This Alex Tsarkiris fellow sounds dishonest as hell.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alex_Tsakiris
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#4  Postby Spearthrower » Mar 08, 2020 1:57 pm

Just looking at the biological stuff: he's completely fucking clueless, as in abjectly ignorant. That's probably because he's a poet, not a scientist.

The first paragraph looks entirely made up by him about himself while wagging himself off. Sounds like some people we know here too.

Basically, he's full of shit... but do we need to 'debunk' it? He's not here to defend his position.
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#5  Postby OlivierK » Mar 08, 2020 9:29 pm

Dean is not Australia's leading erotic poet, or Australia's leading anything.

He basically doesn't exist outside his own website, and most posts about him seem to have been written by him.

If I had to guess, I'd wager that he's the fictional product of some undergraduates with a typically undergraduate sense of humour (for example the bit about him disproving Goedel's Theorem above - huge fucking giveaway to my mind). Essentially performance art to troll wankers into treating it as real - much like Sokal did - but far less skilful.
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#6  Postby I'm With Stupid » Mar 08, 2020 11:11 pm

I find the psychology of people who feel the need to collect qualifications really interesting. I know someone who basically collects qualifications and then never seems to work in the fields that he studied. All he ever talked about was his CV. But it's almost like they're compensating for something.
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#7  Postby jane » Mar 09, 2020 1:55 am

Hi I will be rational

I will show what I found on the net

First Dean shows 1=0.999.. which is a contradiction in maths

https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/fd7v9z/erotic_poet_proves_mathematicsscience_end_in/

what does this notation mean-you see it but the result conflicts with your education so mind still refuses to see

0.888...

and

0.999....

and while you are at it

integer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integer

"An integer (from the Latin integer meaning "whole")[note 1] is a number that can be written without a fractional component. For example, 21, 4, 0, and −2048 are integers, while 9.75, 5+1/2, and √2 are not.

The set of integers consists of zero (0), the positive natural numbers (1, 2, 3, ...), also called whole numbers or counting numbers"

1 is an integer

0.888.. is not an integer

0.999.. is not an integer

thus when an integer 1= a non-integer 0.999.. maths ends in contradiction



Now that seems very clear to me-being rational


Second Biology is not a science

https://www.reddit.com/r/badbadmathematics/comments/f3hinf/a_philosophy_to_dangerous_to_acknowledge/



bear in mind we are told by science

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

"Biology is the science concerned with the study of life."

but

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

"There is currently no consensus regarding the definition of life"

so basically

without science knowing what life is

then dead and alive have no meaning

biology science dont even know what life is-how ironic they study life but dont know what life is

that is why biology is not a science


Now that seems very clear to me-being rational



Thirdly Godels theorems

http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/g%C3%B6del%E2%80%99s-1st-theorem-is-meaningless.4304/

1) Gödel’s 1st theorem

a) “Any effectively generated theory capable of expressing elementary arithmetic cannot be both consistent and complete. In particular, for any consistent, effectively generated formal theory that proves certain basic arithmetic truths, there is an arithmetical statement that is true,[1] but not provable in the theory (Kleene 1967, p. 250)


note
"... there is an arithmetical statement that is true..."

In other words there are true mathematical statements which cant be proven
But the fact is Godel cant tell us what makes a mathematical statement true thus his theorem is meaningless

If Godel said "effectively generated formal theory that proves certain basic arithmetic gibblies, there is an arithmetical statement that is gibbly"

but did not tell us what gibbly or gibblies are/meant you would have no trouble saying hey Godel your statement/ theorem is meaningless

same goes for true maths statement if he cant tell us what makes a maths statement true then his theorem is meaningless


Godel's 2nd theorem is about

http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/godels-2nd-theorem-ends-in-paradox.4306/


"If an axiomatic system can be proven to be consistent and complete from
within itself, then it is inconsistent.”


But we have a paradox

Gödel is using a mathematical system
his theorem says a system cant be proven consistent


THUS A PARADOX

Godel must prove that a system cannot be proven to be consistent based upon the premise that the logic he uses must be consistent . If the logic he uses is not consistent then he cannot make a proof that is consistent. So he must assume that his logic is consistent so he can make a proof of the impossibility of proving a system to be consistent. But if his proof is true then he has proved that the logic he
uses to make the proof must be consistent, but his proof proves that
this cannot be done
THUS A PARADOX



Thus as far as I see being rational

dean does show mathematics science end in meaninglessness
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#8  Postby OlivierK » Mar 09, 2020 3:53 am

Hi jane,

Given that we both know that you're spouting bullshit for some sort of kicks, can I ask a more interesting question?

What's in this for you? I don't get it. It's so ludicrously poor that literally everyone reading it will be wondering "Why on earth would anyone bother wasting their time signing up to a forum just to post this lame dreck?"

So, how about you tell us. It would surely be more interesting than continuing the charade.
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#9  Postby jane » Mar 09, 2020 4:01 am

Hi OlivierK

All you have to do is address the points I made

You start with dean proving an integer 1 = a non-integer 0.999.. thus maths ends in contraction

that seems very rational to me

what does this notation mean-you see it but the result conflicts with your education so mind still refuses to see

0.888...

and

0.999....

and while you are at it

integer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integer

"An integer (from the Latin integer meaning "whole")[note 1] is a number that can be written without a fractional component. For example, 21, 4, 0, and −2048 are integers, while 9.75, 5+1/2, and √2 are not.

The set of integers consists of zero (0), the positive natural numbers (1, 2, 3, ...), also called whole numbers or counting numbers"

1 is an integer

0.888.. is not an integer

0.999.. is not an integer

thus when an integer 1= a non-integer 0.999.. maths ends in contradiction
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#10  Postby felltoearth » Mar 09, 2020 4:04 am

Wasn’t there already a thread about that somewhere?
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#11  Postby jane » Mar 09, 2020 4:08 am

Hi felltoearth

while OlivierK is answering my point

perhaps you could address dean
on Godel

1) Gödel’s 1st theorem

a) “Any effectively generated theory capable of expressing elementary arithmetic cannot be both consistent and complete. In particular, for any consistent, effectively generated formal theory that proves certain basic arithmetic truths, there is an arithmetical statement that is true,[1] but not provable in the theory (Kleene 1967, p. 250)


note
"... there is an arithmetical statement that is true..."

In other words there are true mathematical statements which cant be proven
But the fact is Godel cant tell us what makes a mathematical statement true thus his theorem is meaningless

If Godel said "effectively generated formal theory that proves certain basic arithmetic gibblies, there is an arithmetical statement that is gibbly"

but did not tell us what gibbly or gibblies are/meant you would have no trouble saying hey Godel your statement/ theorem is meaningless

same goes for true maths statement if he cant tell us what makes a maths statement true then his theorem is meaningless
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#12  Postby Hermit » Mar 09, 2020 4:14 am

felltoearth wrote:Wasn’t there already a thread about that somewhere?

Yes. http://www.rationalskepticism.org/mathematics/0-999-1-dammit-t62.html
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#13  Postby jane » Mar 09, 2020 4:16 am

Hi Hermit

all you have to do is address deans point-but I guess you just cant

when an integer 1= a non-integer 0.999.. maths ends in contradiction

what does this notation mean-you see it but the result conflicts with your education so mind still refuses to see

0.888...

and

0.999....

and while you are at it

integer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integer

"An integer (from the Latin integer meaning "whole")[note 1] is a number that can be written without a fractional component. For example, 21, 4, 0, and −2048 are integers, while 9.75, 5+1/2, and √2 are not.

The set of integers consists of zero (0), the positive natural numbers (1, 2, 3, ...), also called whole numbers or counting numbers"

1 is an integer

0.888.. is not an integer

0.999.. is not an integer

thus when an integer 1= a non-integer 0.999.. maths ends in contradiction

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#14  Postby felltoearth » Mar 09, 2020 4:17 am

jane wrote:Hi felltoearth

while OlivierK is answering my point

perhaps you could address dean
on Godel

1) Gödel’s 1st theorem

a) “Any effectively generated theory capable of expressing elementary arithmetic cannot be both consistent and complete. In particular, for any consistent, effectively generated formal theory that proves certain basic arithmetic truths, there is an arithmetical statement that is true,[1] but not provable in the theory (Kleene 1967, p. 250)


note
"... there is an arithmetical statement that is true..."

In other words there are true mathematical statements which cant be proven
But the fact is Godel cant tell us what makes a mathematical statement true thus his theorem is meaningless

If Godel said "effectively generated formal theory that proves certain basic arithmetic gibblies, there is an arithmetical statement that is gibbly"

but did not tell us what gibbly or gibblies are/meant you would have no trouble saying hey Godel your statement/ theorem is meaningless

same goes for true maths statement if he cant tell us what makes a maths statement true then his theorem is meaningless

I’m not a mathematician so no I can’t.
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#15  Postby jane » Mar 09, 2020 4:20 am

hi

you say

I’m not a mathematician so no I can’t.


come on its not hard

but I bet you would say if Godel was talking about gibblies

If Godel said "effectively generated formal theory that proves certain basic arithmetic gibblies, there is an arithmetical statement that is gibbly"

but did not tell us what gibbly or gibblies are/meant you would have no trouble saying hey Godel your statement/ theorem is meaningless

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#16  Postby jane » Mar 09, 2020 4:23 am

You all seem to like to rubbish dean
but none of you can really rebut him
how very rational
So I am off I cant be bothered
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#17  Postby OlivierK » Mar 09, 2020 5:02 am

Bye!

Sorry that you decided to take the dull route.

Your house of cards argument that relies on incorrectly assuming that 0.999... is not an integer (even you point out that it equals 1 just one line later!) is trivially unsound.

So why don't you drop the facade, and talk about what's interesting to you about pushing lame hoax material like the fictional Dean's nonsense on people who can see straight through what you're doing? I'm curious, but in the same sort of way that I'm curious why people tag bus shelters.
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#18  Postby Hermit » Mar 09, 2020 5:31 am

jane wrote:Hi Hermit

all you have to do is address deans point

No, jane, I really don't. Debating whether there is a point at which 0.999.... equals 1 is one of very many items on my "List of Things One Doesn't Have to Do". I just checked. It's right between item 4710 (Debate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin) and item 4712 (Take people who can't manage apostrophes seriously).

As you can imagine, this list is very, very long. Certainly much longer than my other list, which is titled "List of Things One Has to Do".
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Re: 0.999... = 1, dammit!

#19  Postby jane » Mar 09, 2020 6:09 am

Colin leslie dean has shown when an integer 1= a non-integer 0.999.. maths ends in contradiction

All things are possible

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/All-things-are-possible.pdf

or
https://www.scribd.com/document/324037705/All-Things-Are-Possible-philosophy

and

Mathematics ends in contradiction: 6 proofs

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/MATHEMATICS.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/40697621/Mathematics-Ends-in-Meaninglessness-ie-self-contradiction


https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/fd7v9z/erotic_poet_proves_mathematicsscience_end_in/

what does this notation mean-you see it but the result conflicts with your education so mind still refuses to see

0.888...

and

0.999....

and while you are at it

integer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integer

"An integer (from the Latin integer meaning "whole")[note 1] is a number that can be written without a fractional component. For example, 21, 4, 0, and −2048 are integers, while 9.75, 5+1/2, and √2 are not.

The set of integers consists of zero (0), the positive natural numbers (1, 2, 3, ...), also called whole numbers or counting numbers"

1 is an integer

0.888.. is not an integer

0.999.. is not an integer

thus when an integer 1= a non-integer 0.999.. maths ends in contradiction
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Re: 0.999... = 1, dammit!

#20  Postby Fenrir » Mar 09, 2020 6:25 am

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