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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#41  Postby Mr. Skeptic » Mar 10, 2020 2:02 am

jane wrote:Hi I will be rational

I will show what I found on the net

First Dean shows 1=0.999.. which is a contradiction in maths

https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/fd7v9z/erotic_poet_proves_mathematicsscience_end_in/

what does this notation mean-you see it but the result conflicts with your education so mind still refuses to see

0.888...

and

0.999....

and while you are at it

integer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integer

"An integer (from the Latin integer meaning "whole")[note 1] is a number that can be written without a fractional component. For example, 21, 4, 0, and −2048 are integers, while 9.75, 5+1/2, and √2 are not.

The set of integers consists of zero (0), the positive natural numbers (1, 2, 3, ...), also called whole numbers or counting numbers"

1 is an integer

0.888.. is not an integer

0.999.. is not an integer

thus when an integer 1= a non-integer 0.999.. maths ends in contradiction



Now that seems very clear to me-being rational


Second Biology is not a science

https://www.reddit.com/r/badbadmathematics/comments/f3hinf/a_philosophy_to_dangerous_to_acknowledge/



bear in mind we are told by science

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

"Biology is the science concerned with the study of life."

but

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

"There is currently no consensus regarding the definition of life"

so basically

without science knowing what life is

then dead and alive have no meaning

biology science dont even know what life is-how ironic they study life but dont know what life is

that is why biology is not a science


Now that seems very clear to me-being rational



Thirdly Godels theorems

http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/g%C3%B6del%E2%80%99s-1st-theorem-is-meaningless.4304/

1) Gödel’s 1st theorem

a) “Any effectively generated theory capable of expressing elementary arithmetic cannot be both consistent and complete. In particular, for any consistent, effectively generated formal theory that proves certain basic arithmetic truths, there is an arithmetical statement that is true,[1] but not provable in the theory (Kleene 1967, p. 250)


note
"... there is an arithmetical statement that is true..."

In other words there are true mathematical statements which cant be proven
But the fact is Godel cant tell us what makes a mathematical statement true thus his theorem is meaningless

If Godel said "effectively generated formal theory that proves certain basic arithmetic gibblies, there is an arithmetical statement that is gibbly"

but did not tell us what gibbly or gibblies are/meant you would have no trouble saying hey Godel your statement/ theorem is meaningless

same goes for true maths statement if he cant tell us what makes a maths statement true then his theorem is meaningless


Godel's 2nd theorem is about

http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/godels-2nd-theorem-ends-in-paradox.4306/


"If an axiomatic system can be proven to be consistent and complete from
within itself, then it is inconsistent.”


But we have a paradox

Gödel is using a mathematical system
his theorem says a system cant be proven consistent


THUS A PARADOX

Godel must prove that a system cannot be proven to be consistent based upon the premise that the logic he uses must be consistent . If the logic he uses is not consistent then he cannot make a proof that is consistent. So he must assume that his logic is consistent so he can make a proof of the impossibility of proving a system to be consistent. But if his proof is true then he has proved that the logic he
uses to make the proof must be consistent, but his proof proves that
this cannot be done
THUS A PARADOX



Thus as far as I see being rational

dean does show mathematics science end in meaninglessness


you live in self-contradiction colliien/jane. nobody should give you any sort of attention anymore. your pseudo-intellectualism justified by muh postmodernism (as postmodernist and metamodernist I find utterly vapid), to promote what is basically new age garbage, shows me and everyone else that you don't, won't, or can't care about facts, reality, or truth. and that's coming from a subjectivist. you live a world construed of your own and maintained by what you do. you're a little perverted 13-year-old child who learned about postmodernism from some WOKE fuckwit who used it justify his brand of bullshit. and you're doing much the same. this is my send-off.

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Biology not a science & evolution/natural select meaningless

#42  Postby jane » Mar 10, 2020 2:11 am

Hi There are a lot of people that rubbish Magister colin leslie dean for his views on mathematics and science Here for your interest are his views on biology natural selection

Biology not a science & evolution/natural selection meaningless

https://www.reddit.com/r/dadaism/comments/ff83an/neodadathe_work_of_colin_leslie_dean/

1) Biology is not a science

bear in mind we are told by science

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

"Biology is the science concerned with the study of life."

but

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

"There is currently no consensus regarding the definition of life"

so basically

without science knowing what life is

then dead and alive have no meaning

biology science dont even know what life is-how ironic they study life but dont know what life is

that is why biology is not a science

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp ... cience.pdf

or
https://www.scribd.com/document/3488159 ... -a-Science


2) Natural selection-as Origin of species is invalid

1)Darwins book is called On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection ....

but

this paper shows natural selection is not the origin of new species Natural selection is not the origin of new species

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/bo ... ection.pdf

or
https://www.scribd.com/document/3345454 ... d-or-wrong

"Natural selection does not generate new genes/species Natural selection adds no new genetic information as it only deals with the passing on of genes/traits already present and it will be pointed out genetics cannot account for the generation of new species/genes as it is claimed the generation of new genes [via mutation] is a random process due to radiation, viruses, chemicals etc and genetic cannot account for these process happening as they are out side the scope of genetics physics, chaos theory etc may give some explanation but genetics cant"


3) the notion of species/evolution of species ends in meaninglessness-not valid

Biologist cant tell us what a species is -without contradiction thus evolution theory ie evolving species is nonsense

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp ... TS-DON.pdf
or
https://www.scribd.com/document/3488216 ... species-is

Biologists agree there is species hybridization
but that contradicts what a species is



thus

Biology not a science & evolution/natural selection meaningless


"[Deans] philosophy is the sickest, most paralyzing and most destructive thing that has ever originated from the brain of man."


"[Dean] lay waste to everything in its path... [It is ] a systematic work of destruction and demoralization... In the end it became nothing but an act of sacrilege."
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Re: Biology not a science & evolution/natural select meaningless

#43  Postby laklak » Mar 10, 2020 2:22 am

Well all righty then.
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Re: Biology not a science & evolution/natural select meaningless

#44  Postby Spearthrower » Mar 10, 2020 2:22 am

Dean clearly slept through high school science class.

When you do the 'we don't need no education' anti-intellectual motif, you've lost the right to pretend you know what you're talking about. It's a stolen concept fallacy. Basically, Colin/Lucy - you're plain ignorant. I don't know why you'd be proud of that, but there it remains with you publicizing your ignorance to the world.
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The species paradox

#45  Postby jane » Mar 10, 2020 2:50 am

Hi Here is another work of Magister colin leslie dean

The species paradox

https://www.scribd.com/document/33454540/Natural-Selection-is-shown-to-be-invalid-or-wrong

or

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/books/philosophy/Natural_selection.pdf
in order to resolve the dean paradox
the dean paradox makes you abandon the word species
in which case biology is destroyed
and all this talk in biology about speciation species this species that is meaningless nonsense

Species are those animals that can only mate with themselves ie interbreed with fertile offspring

THE COLIN LESLIE DEAN SPECIES PARADOX
The first humans Adam and Eve gave birth to Cain and Able
so who did Cain mate with

similarly
who did the first bird mate with who did the first dog mate with

an individual of species A gives birth to a individual of the new species B so who did this new individual of new species B mate with to continue the new species
either
1)there was no one to mate with- so how did the new species B become common
or
2)a whole lot of species A gave birth toa whole lot of new individuals of species B at the same time so that these new individual members of species B could mate together

if this 2) was the way it happened
we have a major problem
it would mean something made a whole lot of members of species A give birth to a whole lot new members of species B at the same time
we are told species form due to random mutations
so
it is beyound possibility that the same random mutation took place in a whole lot of different members of species A at the same time

the other alternative is that some intelligence was at work

NOW
There is a a dilemma
1)in order to resolve the dean paradox
the dean paradox makes you abandon the word species
in which case biology is destroyed

or
2)biology uses the word bird
signifying it is different from its parent organism
science uses the word species
as such
you have the dean paraodox

in order to resolve the dean paradox
the dean paradox makes you abandon the word species
in which case biology is destroyed
and all this talk in biology about speciation species this species that is meaningless nonsense

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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#46  Postby kiore » Mar 10, 2020 3:04 am


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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#47  Postby SafeAsMilk » Mar 10, 2020 4:15 am

I'm glad there's a thread where Dean can talk to himself in peace.
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#48  Postby Mr. Skeptic » Mar 10, 2020 5:05 am

stop giving Dean attention. his fucking stupidity will die on his own. I wonder if he's doing this ironically, somebody who celebrates the absurd and shitty logic to make a point about logic (it's subjectivity perhaps?) or he's just philso-trolling.
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#49  Postby OlivierK » Mar 10, 2020 5:19 am

Kiore, you missed two threads:

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/philo ... 56536.html

And this one from the point where it got necro'ed

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/mathe ... l#p2735634
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#50  Postby Svartalf » Mar 10, 2020 7:42 am

Who exactly is this dean fellow and why does "jane" repeatedly call him magister?
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#51  Postby Hermit » Mar 10, 2020 7:59 am

Svartalf wrote:Who exactly is this dean fellow and why does "jane" repeatedly call him magister?

This Dean fellow is an intellectual nobody and jane calls Dean magister because jane is Dean's sock puppet.
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#52  Postby tuco » Mar 10, 2020 10:47 am

Mr. Skeptic wrote:stop giving Dean attention. his fucking stupidity will die on his own. I wonder if he's doing this ironically, somebody who celebrates the absurd and shitty logic to make a point about logic (it's subjectivity perhaps?) or he's just philso-trolling.


Well, it was you who started this thread and it's beyond me why would anyone bother just read, let alone argue, claim that 1 = 0.999.. How about 1 = 0.24? Maybe some idiot on the net has an argument for it, maybe we should read it and debunk it, right?
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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#53  Postby theropod_V_2.0 » Mar 10, 2020 10:54 am

I love the citations. Perhaps someone should look into the citrate digesting E. coli. No new information canard my ass.

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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#54  Postby kiore » Mar 10, 2020 1:28 pm

OlivierK wrote:Kiore, you missed two threads:

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/philo ... 56536.html

And this one from the point where it got necro'ed

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/mathe ... l#p2735634



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Re: This pseudo-intellectual bullshit hurts me.

#55  Postby laklak » Mar 10, 2020 2:27 pm

We've got Dennis Markuze (aka "Superuniverse") over at Ratz, he's another one-trick pony except he livens up his discussions with random Depeche Mode videos. It's not enough to just spam post the same shit over and over again, you need a hook.
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Schrödinger's cat thought experiment is meaningless

#56  Postby jane » Mar 12, 2020 4:50 am

Magister colin leslie dean shows
Schrödinger's cat thought experiment is meaningless as he cant tell us what dead is what alive is

"[Dean] lay waste to everything in its path... [It is ] a systematic work of destruction and demoralization... In the end it became nothing but an act of sacrilege.

https://www.reddit.com/r/quantum/comments/f46q2j/schrodingers_cat_thought_experiment_is_meaningless/



dean shows Schrödinger's cat thought experiment is meaningless as he cant tell us what dead is what alive is
Now as dean points out, if some bright spark wants to tell us what according to them, not Schrodinger, dead is what alive is

then

in the process tell us your religion your culture your philosophy your spirituality your science behind what dead is what alive is

and if you go to science for your definition of life

bear in mind we are told by science

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

"Biology is the science concerned with the study of life."

but

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

"There is currently no consensus regarding the definition of life"

so basically

without science knowing what life is

then dead and alive have no meaning ....


Aside dont you think it strange that after say 85 years none of the worlds greatest geniuses have bothered to ask what Schrodinger means by dead means by alive or do the geniuses ask does dead mean? what does alive mean? -this is the power of consensus trance

consensus trance

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Consensus_trance

this meaninglessness of Schrodinger's thought experiment is one proof of the view that all products of human thought end in meaninglessness ie mathematics and science




thus

Schrödinger's cat thought experiment is meaningless
Without telling us what being without life is ie dead or what having life is ie alive
Schrödinger's cat thought experiment is meaningless

this part of Magister colin leslie dean "A philosophy to dangerous to acknowledge"-all views end in meaninglessness ie mathematics and science end in meaninglessness

https://www.reddit.com/r/badbadmathematics/comments/f3hinf/a_philosophy_to_dangerous_to_acknowledge/

"[Deans] philosophy is the sickest, most paralyzing and most destructive thing that has ever originated from the brain of man."

Paraphrasing (
"[Dean] lay waste to everything in its path... [It is ] a systematic work of destruction and demoralization... In the end it became nothing but an act of sacrilege.
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Re: Schrödinger's cat thought experiment is meaningless

#57  Postby The_Piper » Mar 12, 2020 5:40 am

This has nothing to do with the principle behind the thought experiment.
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Re: Schrödinger's cat thought experiment is meaningless

#58  Postby Fenrir » Mar 12, 2020 5:47 am

So the cat is neither alive or dead.

Much like Dean's philosophy.
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Re: Schrödinger's cat thought experiment is meaningless

#59  Postby Spearthrower » Mar 12, 2020 6:15 am

Magister colin leslie dean...


There's no such person.
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Re: Schrödinger's cat thought experiment is meaningless

#60  Postby Spearthrower » Mar 12, 2020 6:16 am

this part of Magister colin leslie dean "A philosophy to dangerous to acknowledge"-mathematics and science end in meaninglessness

https://www.reddit.com/r/badbadmathemat ... knowledge/


And to imagine; he can't even spell the word 'too'.
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