Destroyed cities....and kids

termina · #1 by **termina** » Jan 09, 2012 11:20 am

Hello!

The Quran gives many accounts of destroyed cities. The pattern is the same throughout: Such or such city was inhabited by unbelievers and God sent them a messenger to warn them. A few (if any) were converted, whereas the others not only stubbornly refused to accept the Truth but tried to chase those messengers away or plot to kill him.
At that point, God, in His anger, decided to eradicate the city through a natural disaster (whether it's flood, stone raining, strong wind, earthquake...) as a retribution, after ensuring the messenger & the believers were far enough of course...

Ok but what about the children of those unbeleiving people? They were struck dead like the others, disasters being indiscriminate... despite their obvious innoncence. So much for God's goodness, no?

Some Muslims answered me that's God was, on the contrary, very merciful with those kids: their death permits them to automatically go to heaven, being thus preserved from the sins they would possibly have commited at adulthood.
So i asked them, then why can't we kill some kids? I wouldn't wrong them by sending them to a eternal and better life.
Answer? "That's different! Only God has this right, because he is the creator of life".

Does their justification work?

JoeB · #2 by **JoeB** » Jan 09, 2012 1:21 pm

They're just saying that god can do whatever he wants because he made it all. Doesn't hold water when god makes conscious, thinking beings such as humans.

Garm · #3 by **Garm** » Jan 09, 2012 2:20 pm

Even if God had the right to kill those kids, why would he? If he's all-powerful, surely he could manage a non-violent way to solve this 'problem' with the unbelievers? Why does God think he needs a bloodbath to deal with situations like this?

lordshipmayhem · #4 by **lordshipmayhem** » Jan 09, 2012 6:23 pm

Garm wrote:Even if God had the right to kill those kids, why would he? If he's all-powerful, surely he could manage a non-violent way to solve this 'problem' with the unbelievers? Why does God think he needs a bloodbath to deal with situations like this?

Because God (Allah, whatever name you want to use) is a human creation, and humans cannot seem to think of a way of dealing with situations like this with anything but a bloodbath.

Onyx8 · #5 by **Onyx8** » Jan 10, 2012 7:30 am

Because Allah is an ignorant twat who couldn't think its way out of a wet paper bag.

"I'll kill the children because then they won't be tempted to sin later in their life, yeah, that makes sense having just caused them to be fucking born. I's so smart."

Calilasseia · #6 by **Calilasseia** » Jan 25, 2012 12:06 am

Sounds like the Islamic version of Craig's genocide apologetics ...

MacIver · #7 by **MacIver** » Jan 25, 2012 12:11 am

What's wrong with God killing baby goats...? :coffee:

CdesignProponentsist · #8 by **CdesignProponentsist** » Jan 25, 2012 12:12 am

termina wrote:Ok but what about the children of those unbeleiving people? They were struck dead like the others, disasters being indiscriminate... despite their obvious innoncence. So much for God's goodness, no?

The Abrahamic god is much worse than that termina. He commands his people to go out and kill neighboring tribes, and INCLUDES instruction how to go about murdering the women and children.

So God not only has the death of countless innocents on his hands from collateral damage, but also as a direct result of policy and instruction to his people.

God is love.