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"Americans concerned about free speech should stand up to CAIR and contact the Plano library for a return of Holy Terror to the catalog, a book that many may want to examine following CAIR’s public opposition. Middle East Forum president Daniel Pipes has labeled censorship of speech about Islam as “Rushdie Rules.” Such suppression should have no place in a public library. Readers should form their own opinions about Holy Terror, Islam, and Islamism without any de facto fatwa from CAIR."
Beware the evil that is CAIR. Patriots. Beware the enemy that has infiltrated and infested the USA. Who are THOSE INVADERS of the USA to ORDER libraries to remove a book placing their evil CULT in a bad light? The Founders would fight battles before submitting to that barbarian horde!!!
Evil CAIR orders Texas library to OBEY!!
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Re: Evil CAIR orders Texas library to OBEY!!
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by Blackadder » Nov 09, 2018 7:26 pm
Wait! What? CAIR has the power to ORDER libraries to remove texts? Really? When was this amendment to the constitution passed?
And when was the USA invaded? Are these not US citizens you are referring to?
I don’t give a rat’s ass about CAIR’s agenda. But wild rants about them are not painting a good picture of you either.
Oh, and welcome to the forum.
And when was the USA invaded? Are these not US citizens you are referring to?
I don’t give a rat’s ass about CAIR’s agenda. But wild rants about them are not painting a good picture of you either.
Oh, and welcome to the forum.
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Re: Evil CAIR orders Texas library to OBEY!!
#3 by laklak » Nov 09, 2018 7:41 pm
Somehow I can't see anyone in the Lone Star State (aka the Fuck You state) giving a half a rat shit what CAIR thinks or says.
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Re: Evil CAIR orders Texas library to OBEY!!
#4 by Thomas Eshuis » Nov 09, 2018 7:48 pm
Blackadder wrote:Wait! What? CAIR has the power to ORDER libraries to remove texts? Really? When was this amendment to the constitution passed?
And when was the USA invaded? Are these not US citizens you are referring to?
I don’t give a rat’s ass about CAIR’s agenda. But wild rants about them are not painting a good picture of you either.
Oh, and welcome to the forum.
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Re: Evil CAIR orders Texas library to OBEY!!
#5 by Animavore » Nov 09, 2018 7:51 pm
Who?
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Re: Evil CAIR orders Texas library to OBEY!!
#6 by Rachel Bronwyn » Nov 09, 2018 9:41 pm
I second that.
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#7 by Seabass » Nov 09, 2018 10:54 pm
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Re: Evil CAIR orders Texas library to OBEY!!
#8 by SafeAsMilk » Nov 09, 2018 11:44 pm
Obbop wrote:https://cairdfw.org/cair-dfw-applauds-plano-librarys-commitment-to-diversity/
"Americans concerned about free speech should stand up to CAIR and contact the Plano library for a return of Holy Terror to the catalog, a book that many may want to examine following CAIR’s public opposition. Middle East Forum president Daniel Pipes has labeled censorship of speech about Islam as “Rushdie Rules.” Such suppression should have no place in a public library. Readers should form their own opinions about Holy Terror, Islam, and Islamism without any de facto fatwa from CAIR."
From your linked article:
Earlier this month, Plano Muslim community members sent photos of the graphic novel “Holy Terror” by Frank Miller via Facebook to CAIR-DFW and asked the organization to see what can be done about the book’s inclusion in the public library.
CAIR-DFW Executive Director John Janney reached out to the library to see if there were any standards, policies or code of ethics that the publicly funded library followed when faced with publications that dehumanize or marginalize minorities — especially when those publications are targeted at children.
After a short conversation with a library representative about the library’s screening process, the library reviewed the graphic novel and agreed to withdraw it from circulation.
It's funny how people who pretend to stand for free speech are so against anyone they hate practicing free speech, especially when it doesn't go their way. Looks like the only one with a de-facto fatwa is you.
Beware the evil that is CAIR. Patriots. Beware the enemy that has infiltrated and infested the USA. Who are THOSE INVADERS of the USA to ORDER libraries to remove a book placing their evil CULT in a bad light? The Founders would fight battles before submitting to that barbarian horde!!!
Thanks for your brain-dead rant. Also, welcome to the forum.
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Re: Evil CAIR orders Texas library to OBEY!!
#9 by Matt_B » Nov 11, 2018 2:17 am
Although clearly not an issue of censorship, and I'm glad that others have cleared that up, I'd still be a bit miffed that the library chose to pull the book.
It's Frank Miller's worst book by a mile, and is going to come across as flat-out batshit to people unaware of its context against the author's other work, the history of propaganda comics, and its troubled and protracted development that saw it moving from a Batman comic to one published independently with entirely different characters. And even those who get where it's coming from and can see it as the almost entirely black-and-white (both in colour and moral tones) fable that it is, are likely to think that it misses the mark.
But still, there's a discussion to be had about it, and in a country where border walls and Muslim bans are now mainstream policies, I'd think that the ability to distinguish between real people and comic book villains could potentially be quite useful. No doubt, this action will spur a lot of people to seek out the book and read it, and I'd be rather hoping that they can do so with at least something of a critical eye.
It's Frank Miller's worst book by a mile, and is going to come across as flat-out batshit to people unaware of its context against the author's other work, the history of propaganda comics, and its troubled and protracted development that saw it moving from a Batman comic to one published independently with entirely different characters. And even those who get where it's coming from and can see it as the almost entirely black-and-white (both in colour and moral tones) fable that it is, are likely to think that it misses the mark.
But still, there's a discussion to be had about it, and in a country where border walls and Muslim bans are now mainstream policies, I'd think that the ability to distinguish between real people and comic book villains could potentially be quite useful. No doubt, this action will spur a lot of people to seek out the book and read it, and I'd be rather hoping that they can do so with at least something of a critical eye.
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Re: Evil CAIR orders Texas library to OBEY!!
#10 by laklak » Nov 11, 2018 2:42 am
You expect nuance from a country that bans Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer as racist?
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Re: Evil CAIR orders Texas library to OBEY!!
#11 by Matt_B » Nov 11, 2018 3:08 am
laklak wrote:You expect nuance from a country that bans Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer as racist?
Naah, not really.
I still consider this to be the low point in American literary publishing though:
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Re: Evil CAIR orders Texas library to OBEY!!
#12 by Alan B » Nov 11, 2018 1:20 pm
CAIR - Council for American Islamic Relations. I had to look it up.
I thought it stood for 'Cunts - All Ignorant Republicans'.
I thought it stood for 'Cunts - All Ignorant Republicans'.
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Re: Evil CAIR orders Texas library to OBEY!!
#13 by Spearthrower » Apr 15, 2019 12:15 am
Obbop wrote:https://cairdfw.org/cair-dfw-applauds-plano-librarys-commitment-to-diversity/
"Americans concerned about free speech should stand up to CAIR and contact the Plano library for a return of Holy Terror to the catalog, a book that many may want to examine following CAIR’s public opposition. Middle East Forum president Daniel Pipes has labeled censorship of speech about Islam as “Rushdie Rules.” Such suppression should have no place in a public library. Readers should form their own opinions about Holy Terror, Islam, and Islamism without any de facto fatwa from CAIR."
Beware the evil that is CAIR. Patriots. Beware the enemy that has infiltrated and infested the USA. Who are THOSE INVADERS of the USA to ORDER libraries to remove a book placing their evil CULT in a bad light? The Founders would fight battles before submitting to that barbarian horde!!!
What an odd post.
You offer a link which says:
CAIR-DFW Executive Director John Janney reached out to the library to see if there were any standards, policies or code of ethics that the publicly funded library followed when faced with publications that dehumanize or marginalize minorities — especially when those publications are targeted at children.
After a short conversation with a library representative about the library’s screening process, the library reviewed the graphic novel and agreed to withdraw it from circulation.
But from that apparently civilized and adult manner of conversing and coming to an agreement, you've read it as if CAIR forced a library to obey - your own words!
Then you go on to make it sound like Muslims are violent invaders and a barbarian horde. Looks pretty bigoted to me.
Glad you only made one post, because we don't need people like this here. It's a forum for reason, not for manufactured hatred born out of racist, bigoted fear-mongering.
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Re: Evil CAIR orders Texas library to OBEY!!
#14 by theropod » Apr 15, 2019 2:19 am
Boom! There it is. Spear through the heart.
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Re: Evil CAIR orders Texas library to OBEY!!
#15 by I'm With Stupid » Apr 16, 2019 3:41 am
Frank Miller on Holy Terror in 2018:
"When I look at Holy Terror, which I really don’t do all that often, I can really feel the anger ripple out of the pages... I don’t want to wipe out chapters of my own biography. But I’m not capable of that book again."
"When I look at Holy Terror, which I really don’t do all that often, I can really feel the anger ripple out of the pages... I don’t want to wipe out chapters of my own biography. But I’m not capable of that book again."
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Re: Evil CAIR orders Texas library to OBEY!!
#16 by Svartalf » Apr 16, 2019 9:13 am
Alan B wrote:CAIR - Council for American Islamic Relations. I had to look it up.
I thought it stood for 'Cunts - All Ignorant Republicans'.
looks like the two are not mutually exclusive, though.
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