Oldskeptic wrote:
I must have missed this overwhelming scientific evidence for God’s existence, Can you provided me with a link or two? Or even a coherent explanation in your own words.

Jireh wrote:

Oldskeptic wrote:
I must have missed this overwhelming scientific evidence for God’s existence, Can you provided me with a link or two? Or even a coherent explanation in your own words.

http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/does-go ... god-t5.htm

the evidence is there for those who have eyes to see.

God doesn’t force himself upon us. He has given evidence of Himself which is sufficiently clear for those with an open mind and an open heart, but sufficiently vague so as to not to compel those who hearts are closed. The great French mathematical genius Blaise Pascal, who came to know God through Jesus Christ at the age of 31, put it this way:

Willing to appear openly to those who seek him with all their heart, and to be hidden from those who flee from him with all their heart, God so regulates the knowledge of himself that he has given indications of himself which are visible to those who seek him and not to those who do not seek him. There is enough light for those to see who only desire to see, and enough obscurity for those who have a contrary disposition.

DaveD wrote:
This is just preaching.

Jireh wrote:

DaveD wrote:
This is just preaching.

have a look at the linked website, and then i want see you write again, its just preaching.....

Jireh wrote:
God doesn’t force himself upon us. He has given evidence of Himself which is sufficiently clear for those with an open mind and an open heart, but sufficiently vague so as to not to compel those who hearts are closed.

Jireh wrote:
Evidence for God's existence got that overwhelming with progress of scientific research, i am wondering why atheist are not getting really ashamed for holding such a irrational, and ridicoulous position, of no God existing.

Oldskeptic wrote:
You did post this didn’t you? So, where is the evidence that scientific evidence for God’s existence has gotten overwhelming?

Jireh wrote:

Oldskeptic wrote:
You did post this didn’t you? So, where is the evidence that scientific evidence for God’s existence has gotten overwhelming?

http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/does-go ... god-t5.htm

DaveD wrote:

Jireh wrote:

Oldskeptic wrote:
You did post this didn’t you? So, where is the evidence that scientific evidence for God’s existence has gotten overwhelming?

http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/does-go ... god-t5.htm

It's BOLLOCKS!
We've seen this crap before, including the videos, they're old hat. The "arguments" in that first post in your link are even older and just as disreputable. Just baseless assertions and syllogisms masquerading as logic, that have been debunked many times before.

hotshoe wrote:So, no deal on the source of the quotes, then ?

Too bad.

Jireh wrote:

DaveD wrote:

Jireh wrote:

Oldskeptic wrote:
You did post this didn’t you? So, where is the evidence that scientific evidence for God’s existence has gotten overwhelming?

http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/does-go ... god-t5.htm

It's BOLLOCKS!
We've seen this crap before, including the videos, they're old hat. The "arguments" in that first post in your link are even older and just as disreputable. Just baseless assertions and syllogisms masquerading as logic, that have been debunked many times before.

ink on paper is material, its information, which is written with ink, is essentially non material. While material things cannot be destroid, ( mass , matter , energy ) , information can be destroid, therefore information is non material. Someone can write a new complicated formula on a whiteboard and then erase the formula. This is a case of creating and destroying information.

there we come to the proof, which atheists cannot top :

Information cannot originate through chance plus time , no matter how many chances or how much time is available. There is no known process, and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter. Information can come only from a mind. Every information can be tracked backward, to a mind. All new information we can detect on earth, always comes from human beings. Since DNA is coded Information, dna was created by a mind.


http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/darwin- ... t-t283.htm

On the one side, we find the real world of objects, events, and tensional spacetime relations. On the other side, we find fully abstract representations that contain information about the material world. That articulate information is abstracted first by our senses, secondarily by our bodily actions, and tertiarily by our ability to use one or more particular languages . Between the two realms we find what appears to be an uncrossable gulf.

Jireh wrote:

hotshoe wrote:So, no deal on the source of the quotes, then ?

Too bad.

Too bad is........

with only the argument of information, atheism is debunked....

RPizzle wrote:

Assholes in Genesis wrote:Any given chain of information can be traced backward to an intelligent source.

RPizzle wrote:

Reported.

Source: http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... -a-creator

Oldskeptic wrote:
You did post this didn’t you? So, where is the evidence that scientific evidence for God’s existence has gotten overwhelming?

Jireh wrote:
http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/does-go ... god-t5.htm

RPizzle wrote:

Jireh wrote:

DaveD wrote:

Jireh wrote:

Oldskeptic wrote:
You did post this didn’t you? So, where is the evidence that scientific evidence for God’s existence has gotten overwhelming?

http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/does-go ... god-t5.htm

It's BOLLOCKS!
We've seen this crap before, including the videos, they're old hat. The "arguments" in that first post in your link are even older and just as disreputable. Just baseless assertions and syllogisms masquerading as logic, that have been debunked many times before.

ink on paper is material, its information, which is written with ink, is essentially non material. While material things cannot be destroid, ( mass , matter , energy ) , information can be destroid, therefore information is non material. Someone can write a new complicated formula on a whiteboard and then erase the formula. This is a case of creating and destroying information.

there we come to the proof, which atheists cannot top :

Information cannot originate through chance plus time , no matter how many chances or how much time is available. There is no known process, and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter. Information can come only from a mind. Every information can be tracked backward, to a mind. All new information we can detect on earth, always comes from human beings. Since DNA is coded Information, dna was created by a mind.


http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/darwin- ... t-t283.htm

On the one side, we find the real world of objects, events, and tensional spacetime relations. On the other side, we find fully abstract representations that contain information about the material world. That articulate information is abstracted first by our senses, secondarily by our bodily actions, and tertiarily by our ability to use one or more particular languages . Between the two realms we find what appears to be an uncrossable gulf.

The entire top part of this post (before the link) is stolen from AiG. Plagiarism from AiG...cute.

You write: Someone can write a new complicated formula on a whiteboard and then erase the formula. This is a case of creating and destroying information.

AiG wrote: However, someone can write a new complicated formula on a whiteboard and then erase the formula. This is a case of creating and destroying information.

You wrote: Information cannot originate through chance plus time , no matter how many chances or how much time is available. There is no known process, and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter.

AiG wrote: Information cannot originate in statistical processes. (Chance plus time cannot create information no matter how many chances or how much time is available.)
There is no known law of nature, no known process, and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter.7

You wrote: Every information can be tracked backward, to a mind.

AiG wrote: Any given chain of information can be traced backward to an intelligent source.

Reported.

Source: http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... -a-creator

Jireh wrote:

RPizzle wrote:

Reported.

Source: http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... -a-creator

right.

http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/origin- ... r-t287.htm

atheism debunked. cute.

RPizzle wrote:

So you don't think there is anything a bit immoral about plagiarism? You tried passing off another site's work as your own by actively changing the wording around so it wouldn't be super obvious. Very Christian.

Jireh wrote:

RPizzle wrote:

So you don't think there is anything a bit immoral about plagiarism? You tried passing off another site's work as your own by actively changing the wording around so it wouldn't be super obvious. Very Christian.

Sure. I was terribly immoral. I confess it.

But the worst immorality is not to aknowledge to the creator the honor he deserves.

DNA is a information storage mechanism, which stores coded information.

Information has as origin always a mind.

Therefore, DNA was created by a mind.

atheism debunked. Period.

Jireh wrote:the evidence is there for those who have eyes to see.

God doesn’t force himself upon us. He has given evidence of Himself which is sufficiently clear for those with an open mind and an open heart.