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Jesus the historic vampire

#1  Postby DoctorE » Feb 26, 2010 12:06 pm

Zombie is what he "is"

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A new battlefront has erupted in the war between Alpine School District and its detractors -- this time centered in the volcanic combination of religion and democracy.

The new battle centers on a link on the district's Web page that was quietly removed on Feb. 16. Titled "America: Republic or Democracy?" the link led directly to an essay by William P. Meyers, a California-based writer who heralds his belief that Jesus Christ is one in a long string of "historic vampires."

After discovering the link, Highland resident Susan Schnell sent an e-mail to some parents, saying the district had linked itself with a "radical socialist who believes Jesus is a vampire" and that the link is part of a national campaign. Schnell has worked with one of the district's most outspoken critics, Oak Norton, to bring attention to their concerns.

On Tuesday, the district was at pains to distance itself from the link, repeatedly calling it an accident and a mistake. The link had been in a short menu listing Web pages related to the district's mission statement.

District spokeswoman Rhonda Bromley said on Tuesday that after Schnell's e-mail, parents began to call the district and, "within minutes it was taken off. It was accidently linked there. Our board of education was not aware it was there, the superintendent was not aware. The link and that Web site have nothing to do with what the school district represents. It wasn't supposed to be there. It doesn't belong on our Web site. We don't endorse what this man teaches or believes."

At the district's board meeting on Tuesday night, board member Chrissy Hannemann addressed the issue directly to the public, calling the Schnell e-mail "alarming" with "lots of misrepresentation about what we believe and the people we agree or disagree with." Hannemann did not address how the link came to be part of the district's Web site for two weeks.

Hannemann said she had assumed that the e-mail was "so far from the truth that no one would possibly believe it" but "much to our dismay" the district was caught off guard by the public reaction, with calls and e-mails from unhappy parents.

"It is the opposite of what I expected," Hannemann said. "I thought [the public] would certainly take it as nothing but falsehoods. ... Anyone who would believe the e-mail has not spent time with our board or talking to our administration."

The thesis of the Meyers essay itself is to show the U.S. is a representative democracy, a stance the Alpine District echoes in its mission statement and a choice the district's opponents argue vehemently.

According to Bromley, a staffer in the district communications department was asked to research and write an explanation of the district's mission statement, "Educating all students to ensure the future of our democracy." In early February, the district posted the essay as an answer to questions from some parents. The link to Meyers's Web site was posted by the staffer at the same time, and removed two weeks later as whiffs of the controversy came to the district's attention.

The district is satisfied that the link was not part of a "secret" action by the staffer, and the staffer was not aware of the content of the rest of Meyers's Web sites, Bromley said. None of the essay explaining the district's mission statement was influenced by the Meyers essay.

"I think our reputation stands on its own," Bromley said.

Schnell sees something more sinister.

"For the last two weeks I have been researching everything I can about where this came from, why our school system is going along with it, who is behind this at the school district, where ASD is getting its training, and where this train of thought came from," Schnell wrote to parents. "It is shocking, out of control and embedded into our school system here in Utah. ... There is a concerted national and state movement to re-write our history and move our form of government towards socialism by using linguistics."

In the essay, Meyers writes that the majority of Americans are disaffected and "so discouraged that they do not vote. The main reason for this is the buying and selling of elections and politicians by the wealthier class of citizens and their special interest groups. A year or more before elections take place, the winner is decided by those who vote with dollars."

To district detractors, the Web link is a sign of creeping socialism within the district.

As further evidence of this, Schnell cites a 30-foot sign at district offices reading "Enculturating the Young into a Social and Political Democracy," which is a plank of the district's mission statement.

"I don't want the schools teaching my children about politics or enculturating them into any other belief system other than what we teach at home," Schnell wrote. "Enculturating is a brand new word invented by progressives which means changing someone's core belief system. ... These dangerous ideas are linked to ... radical socialists who have discovered that the best way to change a nation is to indoctrinate -- enculturate -- our children and their teachers through 'democracy' training."

Bromley told the Herald that the district interprets "enculturated" to mean "a responsibility to teach students the skills they need both socially and politically." The district stands behind its mission statement and the essay explaining it.

Schnell said the district should leave politics out of its teaching. According to the Web link to Meyers, "elitists started this country as a Republic by writing the Constitution, but it was a dangerous mistake and people for over two centuries have been trying to change it to a Democracy," Schnell wrote to parents. "Obviously by linking this statement directly to the Web site, our district believes this false idea."

Since becoming aware "of this huge controversy, they quickly and secretly stripped the link off of their page," Schnell wrote. "It doesn't mean they have stopped teaching this, it means they are going to do a better job at hiding their purpose. [Meyers] believes in anarchy, pagan worship and that Jesus was just a leader of a small cult and is a real vampire! He advocates radical socialism, limiting families to two children, abortion to term, homosexuality, worshipping the sun instead of a 'dead Jesus,' saying that Mary was just an unwed pregnant teenager, and many other socialist political views, just two clicks from the district's home page. ... All this was linked directly from Alpine School District's Web site."

Schnell's concerns are "a huge leap" and "unfortunate," Bromley said. "This was human error and it has been pulled from the Web site because of that. There is no political secret message that anyone is trying to send, and it is disappointing that people are jumping to that conclusion. It is a blatant distortion."

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Re: Jesus the historic vampire

#2  Postby DoctorE » Feb 26, 2010 12:33 pm

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#3  Postby Arcanyn » Feb 27, 2010 5:41 am

It's obvious that Jesus is a vampire. After all, he says that we have to drink his blood if we want to live forever, and I can't imagine he's terribly fond of crosses.
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#4  Postby virphen » Feb 27, 2010 5:42 am

The whole thing is amazingly stupid.

There is no such thing as Jesus Christ :shifty: .
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#5  Postby Arcanyn » Feb 27, 2010 5:10 pm

You mean the vampire in charge of the Catholic Church isn't Jesus?
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#6  Postby Bengt » Feb 28, 2010 3:11 pm

Arcanyn wrote:You mean the vampire in charge of the Catholic Church isn't Jesus?


Of course not! His name is Ratzinger. :grin:
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#7  Postby Mishakal » Feb 28, 2010 8:24 pm

Bengt wrote:
Arcanyn wrote:You mean the vampire in charge of the Catholic Church isn't Jesus?


Of course not! His name is Ratzinger. :grin:


Yep he was just a Nazi is all... No vampires here... :shifty:
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Re: Jesus the historic vampire

#8  Postby blackarmada » Mar 01, 2010 4:43 am

You forget the gay historic vampie.

Come on 12 disciples who are all males would have given some hints.
財也大, 產也大
後來子孫禍也大
若問此裡是如何,
子孫錢多膽也大,
天樣大事都不怕,
不喪家產不肯罢
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#9  Postby Lion IRC » Mar 01, 2010 5:04 am

:naughty:
Jesus (completely unlike a vampire) has LOVE for humans and wants us NOT to be afraid.
Vampires take blood. Jesus GAVE His.
Vampires fear the Cross. Jesus accepted the Cross.
Vampires fear the light. Jesus warns about people darkness.
He spoke in public and in the daylight.
He cautioned us to be skeptical about the motives of people who do in the darkness what they dont want to be seen.
Vampires are on the side of evil and want us to be evil or die.
Jesus is on the side of good and wants us to follow Him and live.

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#10  Postby virphen » Mar 01, 2010 5:08 am

Lion, please, no preaching, it is liable to attract some very hostile responses.
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#11  Postby Arcanyn » Mar 01, 2010 5:54 am

Lion IRC wrote: :naughty:
Jesus (completely unlike a vampire) has LOVE for humans and wants us NOT to be afraid.


Angel had love for Buffy, a human. So did Spike.

Vampires take blood. Jesus GAVE His.


Vampires give their blood to people they want to sire into new vampires, who gain eternal life as a result. Jesus requires that people drink his blood to gain eternal life.

Vampires fear the Cross. Jesus accepted the Cross.


Being crucified is a pretty traumatic experience. I can't imagine Jesus would take terribly kindly to people waving crosses in his face, anymore than a Holocaust survivor would take kindly to someone rocking up on their doorstep in a SS uniform.

Vampires fear the light. Jesus warns about people darkness.


Vampires don't necessarily fear the light. They just burst into flames if they come into contact with sunlight. Jesus disappeared after walking into the sunlight (allegedly because he was taken up into heaven).

He spoke in public and in the daylight.


Before he was cruficied and sired.

He cautioned us to be skeptical about the motives of people who do in the darkness what they dont want to be seen.


Vampires usually don't care whether or not people see what they do in the darkness.

Vampires are on the side of evil and want us to be evil or die.
Jesus is on the side of good and wants us to follow Him and live.


Some vampires are nice. However, a lot of vampires do like to torture their victims. Jesus likes to eternally torture everybody who refuses to worship him.
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#12  Postby Lion IRC » Mar 01, 2010 5:59 am

Hi Virphen,

Sorry. Did I miss something?

Is this not the thread where we can critique the allegation that Jesus is comparable to a vampire?

Maybe they are talking about Madonnas boyfriend not Jesus of Nazareth.

If someone IS making the serious claim that an intellectual comparison can be made between the biblical Jesus and Bram Stoker/Ann Rice then I reserve the right to respond in kind.

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