Jireh's evidence for God

Oldskeptic · **#881** by **Oldskeptic** » Jan 06, 2012 10:21 pm

smudge wrote:
Agrippina wrote:Exactly, he was a Jew. The non-Jewish Christians only emerged decades after his death. So he practiced the OT laws and lived by them and the thing of his the "love your neighbor as yourself" stuff was already well know in rabbinical law by the time he was preaching "the Golden Rule."

Can you clarify for me Agrippina, the "love your neighbour as yourself" stuff, that was part of rabbinical law during/prior to JC's time? I assume read as applying specifically to jews?

Hillel wrote:
That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn.
—Talmud, Shabbat 31a

You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your kinsfolk. Love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.
—Leviticus 19:18

smudge · **#882** by **smudge** » Jan 07, 2012 12:42 pm

Oldskeptic wrote:
smudge wrote:
Agrippina wrote:Exactly, he was a Jew. The non-Jewish Christians only emerged decades after his death. So he practiced the OT laws and lived by them and the thing of his the "love your neighbor as yourself" stuff was already well know in rabbinical law by the time he was preaching "the Golden Rule."

Can you clarify for me Agrippina, the "love your neighbour as yourself" stuff, that was part of rabbinical law during/prior to JC's time? I assume read as applying specifically to jews?

Hillel wrote:
That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn.
—Talmud, Shabbat 31a

You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your kinsfolk. Love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.
—Leviticus 19:18

Thanks Oldskeptic!

I wish I could lay my hands on such quotes quickly and easily.
I find the Skeptics Annotated Bible useful but so vast is often hard to find what you are searching for.

Agrippina · **#883** by **Agrippina** » Jan 07, 2012 5:32 pm

From what I'm reading in Karen Armstrong's book, it goes back even further, to Confucius. I'll quote what she says on it:

citing Confucius (551-479 BCE) Analects 15:23:

It was epitomized in the Golden Rule, which he said, his disciples should practice "all day and every day"; "Never do to others what you would not like them to do to you."[/unquote]

She says that the first Christians ...

...had no intention of founding a new religion but observed the Torah, worshipped in the temple, and kept the dietary laws. Like the Pharisees, they regarded the Golden Rule as central to Judaism.

Matthew 5:17-19; luke 16:17; 23:56; Galatians 2:11-12.

And then Hillel (c80 BCE-30CE)
B Shabbat 31a in A. Cohen, ed., Everman's Talmud (New York, 1975), p 65. Some authorities attribute this story to another rabbi.
it was said that Hellel had formulated a Jewish version of Confucius's Golden Rule. One day, a pagan had approached Hillel and promised to convert to Juidaism if Hillel could teach him the entire Torah standing on one leg. Hillel replied "What is hateful to yourself, do not to your fellow man. That is the whole of the Torah and the remainder is but commentary. Go Learn it."

THWOTH · **#884** by **THWOTH** » Jan 08, 2012 11:00 am

"Never lean over on a Tuesday. Never put a sock in a toaster."
-- Eddie Izzard

MattHunX · **#885** by **MattHunX** » Jan 08, 2012 11:02 am

THWOTH wrote:"Never lean over on a Tuesday. Never put a sock in a toaster."
-- Eddie Izzard

"...jam on a magnet."

I just watched his Stripped video, again. Forgot how funny it was. *poof* "There it is, it's blue! Don't fuck it up!" :lol:

surreptitious57 · **#886** by **surreptitious57** » Jan 08, 2012 11:25 pm

Agrippina wrote:

From what I m reading in Karen Armstrong s book it goes back even further, to Confucius

He is credited with being the
originator of The Golden Rule though
it is possible he was not the first but he does
get the reference. It was subsequently advocated
by Buddha and most famously Jesus of course. I love it
for its simplicity and longevity. Shame that we find it so hard to
actually put into practice. For if we did all problems of a non materialistic
nature would cease immediatedly. That is how powerful it is. Sad too that it can
not overcome innate human nature however. Then it would be inviolable. Maybe one day

redwhine · **#887** by **redwhine** » Jan 09, 2012 8:52 am

I'm lazy. I prefer the silver rule. :grin:

chairman bill · **#888** by **chairman bill** » Jan 09, 2012 9:40 am

I'm a chronic underachiever - I'd settle for the bronze rule - get your retaliation in first.

Spearthrower · **#889** by **Spearthrower** » Jan 09, 2012 9:59 am

chairman bill wrote:I'm a chronic underachiever - I'd settle for the bronze rule -

There are times and places for each of the rules, but tit for tat without end just leads to mutual destruction.

chairman bill wrote:get your retaliation in first.

Actually, that's the iron rule!

Agrippina · **#890** by **Agrippina** » Jan 09, 2012 3:23 pm

I prefer no rules.

redwhine · **#891** by **redwhine** » Jan 09, 2012 8:06 pm

Agrippina wrote:I prefer no rules.

Australian football?

Agrippina · **#892** by **Agrippina** » Jan 10, 2012 5:10 am

redwhine wrote:
Agrippina wrote:I prefer no rules.

Australian football?

The only rules allowed in my house are the ones I make. I don't understand football of any sort, grown men running around in cute outfits chasing each other, trying to wrestle the ball away from the other guy. Really? :roll:

Fallible · **#893** by **Fallible** » Jan 10, 2012 9:25 pm

Well that's er...

chairman bill · **#894** by **chairman bill** » Jan 10, 2012 9:27 pm

The only sport worth watching ... women's beach volleyball. If it couldn't be explained in any other way, it could be evidence for a deity.

Regina · **#895** by **Regina** » Jan 10, 2012 9:37 pm

Fallible wrote:Well that's er...

Indeed, that's not actually football. :lol:

THWOTH · **#896** by **THWOTH** » Jan 10, 2012 10:50 pm

Regina wrote:
Fallible wrote:Well that's er...

Indeed, that's not actually football.

Yeah, but don't they look soooo cute in those pretty outfits... in those pretty tight outfits.

O, M and definitely G!

:what:

sennekuyl · **#897** by **sennekuyl** » Jan 10, 2012 11:25 pm

Agrippina wrote:
redwhine wrote:
Agrippina wrote:I prefer no rules.

Australian football?

The only rules allowed in my house are the ones I make. I don't understand football of any sort, grown men running around in cute outfits chasing each other, trying to wrestle the ball away from the other guy. Really?

The rule I live by is, " I have better things to do than watching blokes in short shorts run around on a field playing with each others balls."
Applies to Rugby League as well as Aussie Rules and whatever other code. I guess you could change the 'short shorts to 'pretentious pants' and include American Football, but most of the people I know wouldn't understand the word pretentious. :sigh:

But that is off topic so please return to the evidence bit.

Agrippina · **#898** by **Agrippina** » Jan 11, 2012 1:01 pm

sennekuyl wrote:
Agrippina wrote:
redwhine wrote:
Agrippina wrote:I prefer no rules.

Australian football?

The only rules allowed in my house are the ones I make. I don't understand football of any sort, grown men running around in cute outfits chasing each other, trying to wrestle the ball away from the other guy. Really?

The rule I live by is, " I have better things to do than watching blokes in short shorts run around on a field playing with each others balls."
Applies to Rugby League as well as Aussie Rules and whatever other code. I guess you could change the 'short shorts to 'pretentious pants' and include American Football, but most of the people I know wouldn't understand the word pretentious.

But that is off topic so please return to the evidence bit.

Still off topic, just this once more and I'll stop. I agree 100%.
There's something very strange about the way religious people worship sport.

THWOTH · **#899** by **THWOTH** » Feb 10, 2012 11:02 pm

Still waiting.... :whistle:

chairman bill · **#900** by **chairman bill** » Feb 10, 2012 11:09 pm

Yep. It's almost as if he hasn't got any. Maybe he's realised that I was right about Odin, and that his god is the Trickster god, Loki.

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