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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#61  Postby Animavore » Aug 30, 2013 5:43 pm

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Shrunk wrote:The main point, as I see it, is that science makes no claims to be able to explain everything, yet is still able to explain a great number of things. Whereas metaphysics claim to "explain" everything, but seem to explain nothing.



You don't have a clue what metaphysics is, do you?


Does anyone?
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#62  Postby Shrunk » Aug 30, 2013 5:44 pm

Mick wrote:
Shrunk wrote:The main point, as I see it, is that science makes no claims to be able to explain everything, yet is still able to explain a great number of things. Whereas metaphysics claim to "explain" everything, but seem to explain nothing.



You don't have a clue what metaphysics is, do you?


Probably not.

Give me an example of something it "explains". Like Craig, feel free to make it the best example possible.
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#63  Postby Mick » Aug 30, 2013 5:45 pm

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Mick wrote:That depends if the fairy hypothesis is falsifiable or not.

Now whether someone take it seriously or not is another question. But as a matter of logic, you cannot entertain that the hypothesis is unfalsifiable and then go on to deeming it false. That is a classic mistake made by laymen atheists when dealing with creationism.


So if someone were to ask you if your car is run by fairies, how would you respond?

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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#64  Postby Mick » Aug 30, 2013 5:46 pm

Shrunk wrote:
Mick wrote:
Shrunk wrote:The main point, as I see it, is that science makes no claims to be able to explain everything, yet is still able to explain a great number of things. Whereas metaphysics claim to "explain" everything, but seem to explain nothing.



You don't have a clue what metaphysics is, do you?


Probably not.

Give me an example of something it "explains". Like Craig, feel free to make it the best example possible.


One way to look at metaphysics, at least one aspect to it, is that it gives intelligibility to the world. Science presupposes this.
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#65  Postby Animavore » Aug 30, 2013 5:48 pm

Mick wrote:
Shrunk wrote:
Mick wrote:
Shrunk wrote:The main point, as I see it, is that science makes no claims to be able to explain everything, yet is still able to explain a great number of things. Whereas metaphysics claim to "explain" everything, but seem to explain nothing.



You don't have a clue what metaphysics is, do you?


Probably not.

Give me an example of something it "explains". Like Craig, feel free to make it the best example possible.


One way to look at metaphysics, at least one aspect to it, is that it gives intelligibility to the world. Science presupposes this.


How does it?
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#66  Postby VazScep » Aug 30, 2013 5:49 pm

Shrunk wrote:Give me an example of something it "explains".
You are probably only interested in partial explanation. As Mick says, he offers full explanation.
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#67  Postby lobawad » Aug 30, 2013 5:51 pm

VazScep wrote:
Shrunk wrote:Give me an example of something it "explains".
You are probably only interested in partial explanation. As Mick says, he offers full explanation.


But is it moist explanation? There's the rub.
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#68  Postby Mick » Aug 30, 2013 5:52 pm

Animavore wrote:
Mick wrote:
Shrunk wrote:
Mick wrote:


You don't have a clue what metaphysics is, do you?


Probably not.

Give me an example of something it "explains". Like Craig, feel free to make it the best example possible.


One way to look at metaphysics, at least one aspect to it, is that it gives intelligibility to the world. Science presupposes this.


How does it?



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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#69  Postby Mick » Aug 30, 2013 5:53 pm

lobawad wrote:
VazScep wrote:
Shrunk wrote:Give me an example of something it "explains".
You are probably only interested in partial explanation. As Mick says, he offers full explanation.


But is it moist explanation? There's the rub.


I actually didn't say I offered a full explanation.
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#70  Postby Rumraket » Aug 30, 2013 5:56 pm

Mick wrote:
Shrunk wrote:The main point, as I see it, is that science makes no claims to be able to explain everything, yet is still able to explain a great number of things. Whereas metaphysics claim to "explain" everything, but seem to explain nothing.



You don't have a clue what metaphysics is, do you?

When stripped of empirical verification - useless, but beyond that no. Who cares?
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#71  Postby Scar » Aug 30, 2013 5:59 pm

Mick wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Mick wrote:
Shrunk wrote:

Probably not.

Give me an example of something it "explains". Like Craig, feel free to make it the best example possible.


One way to look at metaphysics, at least one aspect to it, is that it gives intelligibility to the world. Science presupposes this.


How does it?



Offers accounts of modality, existence, truth, universals, and even reality itself.


You have yet to demonstrate that.
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#72  Postby Animavore » Aug 30, 2013 6:00 pm

Mick wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Mick wrote:
Shrunk wrote:

Probably not.

Give me an example of something it "explains". Like Craig, feel free to make it the best example possible.


One way to look at metaphysics, at least one aspect to it, is that it gives intelligibility to the world. Science presupposes this.


How does it?




Offers accounts of modality, existence, truth, universals, and even reality itself.


Like...? We're just looking for one example. One thing metaphysics "explains" (along with the explanation, of course). You can't just point to a bunch of stuff and say, "It explains all that." We're looking for specifics. A specific. Just one.
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#73  Postby Mick » Aug 30, 2013 6:01 pm

Rumraket wrote:
Mick wrote:
Shrunk wrote:The main point, as I see it, is that science makes no claims to be able to explain everything, yet is still able to explain a great number of things. Whereas metaphysics claim to "explain" everything, but seem to explain nothing.



You don't have a clue what metaphysics is, do you?

When stripped of empirical verification - useless, but beyond that no. Who cares?


Oh? And is that true? What on earth do you mean by truth?
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#74  Postby Rumraket » Aug 30, 2013 6:01 pm

Mick wrote:
Rumraket wrote:
Shrunk wrote:
Mick wrote:That depends if the fairy hypothesis is falsifiable or not.

Now whether someone take it seriously or not is another question. But as a matter of logic, you cannot entertain that the hypothesis is unfalsifiable and then go on to deeming it false. That is a classic mistake made by laymen atheists when dealing with creationism.


So if someone were to ask you if your car is run by fairies, how would you respond?

Didn't you get the memo? Mick doesn't answer questions. I'm compiling a list... it will be epic.



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What kind of "debate" is it if I just ask questions?
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#75  Postby Rumraket » Aug 30, 2013 6:02 pm

Mick wrote:
Rumraket wrote:
Mick wrote:
Shrunk wrote:The main point, as I see it, is that science makes no claims to be able to explain everything, yet is still able to explain a great number of things. Whereas metaphysics claim to "explain" everything, but seem to explain nothing.



You don't have a clue what metaphysics is, do you?

When stripped of empirical verification - useless, but beyond that no. Who cares?

Oh? And is that true? What on earth do you mean by truth?

You're the one using the word, why don't you tell me?
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#76  Postby lobawad » Aug 30, 2013 6:03 pm

Mick wrote:
lobawad wrote:
VazScep wrote:
Shrunk wrote:Give me an example of something it "explains".
You are probably only interested in partial explanation. As Mick says, he offers full explanation.


But is it moist explanation? There's the rub.


I actually didn't say I offered a full explanation.


Moistness is the sine qua non of understanding.
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#77  Postby Mick » Aug 30, 2013 6:04 pm

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Mick wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Mick wrote:

One way to look at metaphysics, at least one aspect to it, is that it gives intelligibility to the world. Science presupposes this.


How does it?




Offers accounts of modality, existence, truth, universals, and even reality itself.


Like...? We're just looking for one example. One thing metaphysics "explains" (along with the explanation, of course). You can't just point to a bunch of stuff and say, "It explains all that." We're looking for specifics. A specific. Just one.



No, it aims to give accounts of them. It doesn't seek to explain them.

If you want to see those accounts, I can give you links. But a quick search on that Stanford site provides many examples. Search for truth, existence, modality, etc..
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#78  Postby Mick » Aug 30, 2013 6:05 pm

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Mick wrote:
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Mick wrote:


You don't have a clue what metaphysics is, do you?

When stripped of empirical verification - useless, but beyond that no. Who cares?

Oh? And is that true? What on earth do you mean by truth?

You're the one using the word, why don't you tell me?



Oh, so it is not true? False? What are you telling me?
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#79  Postby VazScep » Aug 30, 2013 6:05 pm

Scar wrote:You have yet to demonstrate that.
There are only accounts on offer, which help you sleep better at night knowing that the universe is all intelligible. Demonstration requires at least being awake and doing some work, and metaphysicians are rather work shy.
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Re: Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig

#80  Postby Tracer Tong » Aug 30, 2013 6:06 pm

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Oh? And is that true? What on earth do you mean by truth?


What on earth do you mean by "mean"?
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