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virphen · **#381** by **virphen** » Jan 30, 2012 2:20 am

Lion IRC wrote:
virphen wrote:There is an error in my last post, "objective reality" should read "objective morality".

However it is totally dishonest to use that mistake to justify your misrepresentation of an earlier post.

Are you totally incapable of arguing ANYTHING honestly?

How can it be dishonest when you realised your mistake AFTER I posted?
What are you accusing me of...knowing in advance that you were going to revise your post?

Because you used it to justify misrepresenting an EARLIER post.

Lion IRC · **#382** by **Lion IRC** » Jan 30, 2012 2:23 am

FUA 1.2
k. editing posts to such an extent that it substantially alters posts to which others have responded

virphen · **#383** by **virphen** » Jan 30, 2012 2:26 am

Lion IRC wrote:FUA 1.2
k. editing posts to such an extent that it substantially alters posts to which others have responded

CHANGING ONE INCORRECT WORD AND CLEARLY INDICATING IT?

Talk about clutching at straws, find someone else to troll.

Spearthrower · **#384** by **Spearthrower** » Jan 30, 2012 4:18 am

virphen wrote:
Lion IRC wrote:FUA 1.2
k. editing posts to such an extent that it substantially alters posts to which others have responded

CHANGING ONE INCORRECT WORD AND CLEARLY INDICATING IT?

Talk about clutching at straws, find someone else to troll.

1 word out of 289 words (thank you to MSWord word count) - most assuredly doesn't meet the stipulations of FUA 1.2

But lookee here: we have Lion playing backseat mod, something he so oft complains about.

Agrippina · **#385** by **Agrippina** » Jan 30, 2012 8:51 am

OK so now we've cleared that up, can we please get back to Lion's list of whatever the list was about, I've lost track.

ElDiablo · **#386** by **ElDiablo** » Jan 30, 2012 2:13 pm

The list was about how blind assertions and personal experience are evidence for the Abrahamic God.

Agrippina · **#387** by **Agrippina** » Jan 30, 2012 2:53 pm

Oh, and here I was thinking it was something coherent.

ADParker · **#388** by **ADParker** » Jan 31, 2012 2:59 am

Lion IRC wrote:The moral argument for God is a complete non-starter if you reject objective morality. (Hackenslash!) Failure to accept a premise is NOT a refutation of that premise. The argument only proceeds IF you accept the idea of objective morality.

Oracle of Delphi Wikipedia wrote:

"All forms of the moral argument begin with the premise of moral normativity..."

1.Some aspect of Morality (e.g., its objective force) is observed. (Moral realism)

2.Existence of God A Higher Objective Authority provides a better explanation of this feature than various alternatives.

3.Therefore, to the extent that (1) is accepted, belief in God A Higher Objective Authority is preferable to these alternatives

Quite a few people here seem to (mistakenly) think that the moral argument is an argument for the existence of objective morality. It is NOT. It's an argument for the existence of God.

The existence of objective morality has not been refuted. Therefore the MA has not been refuted. And it wont be until/unless its first premise is refuted...and you dont refute something by opinion.

Lion IRC wrote:
Yes it is an assertion. (All premises in a syllogism are self-asserting.)
Its not worded very well but hey. Its just Wikipedia.

Whats implied is that if objective (human) morality does exist, then it logically must transcend temporal humans.
This points to God. (If you dont like the God conclusion use a different place-holder.)

So all you are interested in testing the validity of the arguments? Validity is important yes, but it is practically worthless on its own.
This is a valid argument:
p1. If I am a typewriter then the moon is made of blue cheese,
p2. I am a typewriter.
Therefore
c. The moon is made of blue cheese.

The above argument is horribly flawed anyway. The assumption that any "authority" is in any way a viable explanation for morality at all is a highly suspect one. Authorities are about rules, arbitration and obedience, not morality.

Agrippina · **#389** by **Agrippina** » Jan 31, 2012 5:45 am

Happy Birthday ADParker.

Lion IRC · **#390** by **Lion IRC** » Jan 31, 2012 5:55 am

Spearthrower wrote:
virphen wrote:
Lion IRC wrote:FUA 1.2
k. editing posts to such an extent that it substantially alters posts to which others have responded

CHANGING ONE INCORRECT WORD AND CLEARLY INDICATING IT?

Talk about clutching at straws, find someone else to troll.

1 word out of 289 words (thank you to MSWord word count) - most assuredly doesn't meet the stipulations of FUA 1.2

But lookee here: we have Lion playing backseat mod, something he so oft complains about.

Spearthrower - 1
Lion IRC - nil

Still, it is kind of fun pretending to be a Mod.

Spearthrower · **#391** by **Spearthrower** » Jan 31, 2012 9:12 am

Lion IRC wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
virphen wrote:
Lion IRC wrote:FUA 1.2
k. editing posts to such an extent that it substantially alters posts to which others have responded

CHANGING ONE INCORRECT WORD AND CLEARLY INDICATING IT?

Talk about clutching at straws, find someone else to troll.

1 word out of 289 words (thank you to MSWord word count) - most assuredly doesn't meet the stipulations of FUA 1.2

But lookee here: we have Lion playing backseat mod, something he so oft complains about.

Spearthrower - 1
Lion IRC - nil

Still, it is kind of fun pretending to be a Mod.

If you had looked at FUA 1.2 q, then you would have realised that pretending to be a Mod is punishable with a lifetime ban from the internet!

just kidding

ADParker · **#392** by **ADParker** » Jan 31, 2012 9:33 am

Agrippina wrote:Happy Birthday ADParker.

Why thank you Agrippina :grin:

(I must say that I like the way they add that Birthday cake Icon, cool little feature.)

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