My evidence against the resurrection

Paul G · #1 by **Paul G** » Jan 11, 2012 1:32 pm

You can't die for 3 days then come back to life.

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chairman bill · #2 by **chairman bill** » Jan 11, 2012 1:35 pm

You can if you're God. God is brilliant, and he can do brilliant things, including being dead for three days, then coming alive again. Which you have to admit, is pretty brilliant.

Paul G · #3 by **Paul G** » Jan 11, 2012 1:37 pm

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Animavore · #4 by **Animavore** » Jan 11, 2012 1:39 pm

That's pretty solid evidence. I go down the morgue all the time at night and haven't had one body leap up and yell, RAPE!

chairman bill · #5 by **chairman bill** » Jan 11, 2012 1:43 pm

They didn't say 'No', so that's consent. Consent means, no rape.

Animavore · #6 by **Animavore** » Jan 11, 2012 1:49 pm

But seriously, only a person with a complete lack of understanding of the death process could believe that story. After three days the guy's been through pallor mortis, algor mortis, livor mortis, and rigor mortis. He would've been decomposing. His body FUBAR. You are NOT coming back from that and you're a bit simple, naive, deluded or plain stupid if you believe you can.

John P. M. · #7 by **John P. M.** » Jan 11, 2012 1:55 pm

Well, for Christians, it is as simple as chairman bill said in his first post here; that God should have no problem reanimating stuff that God after all created in the first place (although I guess liberal, progressive Christians who accept evolution don't believe he created lifeforms directly as per Genesis 1).

Animavore · #8 by **Animavore** » Jan 11, 2012 1:56 pm

They're fooling themselves (sorry).

Paul G · #9 by **Paul G** » Jan 11, 2012 2:00 pm

Animavore wrote:But seriously, only a person with a complete lack of understanding of the death process could believe that story. After three days the guy's been through pallor mortis, algor mortis, livor mortis, and rigor mortis. He would've been decomposing. His body FUBAR. You are NOT coming back from that and you're a bit simple, naive, deluded or plain stupid if you believe you can.

In those temps, he'd be getting pretty soggy. Classic zombie looking.

Paul G · **#10** by **Paul G** » Jan 11, 2012 2:03 pm

John P. M. wrote:Well, for Christians, it is as simple as chairman bill said in his first post here; that God should have no problem reanimating stuff that God after all created in the first place (although I guess liberal, progressive Christians who accept evolution don't believe he created lifeforms directly as per Genesis 1).

Then they have to rely on eyewitness accounts, which gives it as much credibility as any other ridiculous religious story in any other holy book, or any other ghost story :coffee:

If people are going to say "God can do that" they're a lost cause.

Animavore · **#11** by **Animavore** » Jan 11, 2012 2:59 pm

Paul G wrote:
Animavore wrote:But seriously, only a person with a complete lack of understanding of the death process could believe that story. After three days the guy's been through pallor mortis, algor mortis, livor mortis, and rigor mortis. He would've been decomposing. His body FUBAR. You are NOT coming back from that and you're a bit simple, naive, deluded or plain stupid if you believe you can.

In those temps, he'd be getting pretty soggy. Classic zombie looking.

And bloating. Don't forget about the bloating.

Mick · **#12** by **Mick** » Jan 11, 2012 3:24 pm

Paul G wrote:You can't die for 3 days then come back to life.

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emp mine. Can't? What sort of modality are we dealing with here? If the naturalistic sort, then a Christian could agree with you because they do not uphold that it is a natural event. You also used a general 'you' to begin the sentence? Who is included within the generality? Are supernatural beings included here?If so, on what basis?

Animavore · **#13** by **Animavore** » Jan 11, 2012 3:26 pm

The great thing about supernatural beings is they can do anything your imagination wants them to, not existing in reality and all.

Mick · **#14** by **Mick** » Jan 11, 2012 3:27 pm

Animavore wrote:But seriously, only a person with a complete lack of understanding of the death process could believe that story. After three days the guy's been through pallor mortis, algor mortis, livor mortis, and rigor mortis. He would've been decomposing. His body FUBAR. You are NOT coming back from that and you're a bit simple, naive, deluded or plain stupid if you believe you can.

Christians don't believe that Jesus came back with the exact properties of his earthly body.

Animavore · **#15** by **Animavore** » Jan 11, 2012 3:29 pm

Mick wrote:
Animavore wrote:But seriously, only a person with a complete lack of understanding of the death process could believe that story. After three days the guy's been through pallor mortis, algor mortis, livor mortis, and rigor mortis. He would've been decomposing. His body FUBAR. You are NOT coming back from that and you're a bit simple, naive, deluded or plain stupid if you believe you can.

Christians don't believe that Jesus came back with the exact properties of his earthly body.

Yeah. I read the story. Looks to me like a different person came along claiming to be Jesus returned from the dead. No one seemed to recognise him. A scam do you think?

Mick · **#16** by **Mick** » Jan 11, 2012 3:31 pm

Animavore wrote:
Mick wrote:
Animavore wrote:But seriously, only a person with a complete lack of understanding of the death process could believe that story. After three days the guy's been through pallor mortis, algor mortis, livor mortis, and rigor mortis. He would've been decomposing. His body FUBAR. You are NOT coming back from that and you're a bit simple, naive, deluded or plain stupid if you believe you can.

Christians don't believe that Jesus came back with the exact properties of his earthly body.

Yeah. I read the story. Looks to me like a different person came along claiming to be Jesus returned from the dead. No one seemed to recognise him. A scam do you think?

If you read the story, then perhaps you shouldn't try mischaracterizing what the Christians believe as if they really do think Jesus resurrected with the same body he died in.

That's the thing with you skeptics here, you guys let each other say silly things all in the name of a cause.

Animavore · **#17** by **Animavore** » Jan 11, 2012 3:35 pm

Mick wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Mick wrote:
Animavore wrote:But seriously, only a person with a complete lack of understanding of the death process could believe that story. After three days the guy's been through pallor mortis, algor mortis, livor mortis, and rigor mortis. He would've been decomposing. His body FUBAR. You are NOT coming back from that and you're a bit simple, naive, deluded or plain stupid if you believe you can.

Christians don't believe that Jesus came back with the exact properties of his earthly body.

Yeah. I read the story. Looks to me like a different person came along claiming to be Jesus returned from the dead. No one seemed to recognise him. A scam do you think?

If you read the story, then perhaps you shouldn't try mischaracterizing what the Christians believe as if they really do think Jesus resurrected with the same body he died in.

That's the thing with you skeptics here, you guys let each other say silly things all in the name of a cause.

Heh. You're the one that believes the story.

logical bob · **#18** by **logical bob** » Jan 11, 2012 3:36 pm

Mick wrote:If you read the story, then perhaps you shouldn't try mischaracterizing what the Christians believe as if they really do think Jesus resurrected with the same body he died in.

I read the stories, and the Epistles too. It looks to me as if Paul, Mark and Matthew didn't believe he rose with any kind of body and then, written later, Luke and John go to great lengths to stress how physical he was. It makes you wonder how much the beliefs changed in those early decades.

Animavore · **#19** by **Animavore** » Jan 11, 2012 3:39 pm

logical bob wrote:
Mick wrote:If you read the story, then perhaps you shouldn't try mischaracterizing what the Christians believe as if they really do think Jesus resurrected with the same body he died in.

I read the stories, and the Epistles too. It looks to me as if Paul, Mark and Matthew didn't believe he rose with any kind of body and then, written later, Luke and John go to great lengths to stress how physical he was. It makes you wonder how much the beliefs changed in those early decades.

A body went missing from the cave. What happened to it? And didn't Thomas finger him?

I dunno. It's all a bit of a mystery. :scratch:

Mick · **#20** by **Mick** » Jan 11, 2012 4:12 pm

logical bob wrote:
Mick wrote:If you read the story, then perhaps you shouldn't try mischaracterizing what the Christians believe as if they really do think Jesus resurrected with the same body he died in.

I read the stories, and the Epistles too. It looks to me as if Paul, Mark and Matthew didn't believe he rose with any kind of body and then, written later, Luke and John go to great lengths to stress how physical he was. It makes you wonder how much the beliefs changed in those early decades.

Suppose this were true. Neither Paul, Mark or Matthew position nor Luke and John imply that Jesus' had the same body he died in. Certainly not the first since he has no body at all and not the second since physicality doesnt suggest that either.