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Shrunk wrote:A quick reference to the fact that he advocates genocide might do the trick.
Notice that when pressed by Brierley, Craig actually admitted at the end of the debate in the QandA that his repeated insistence during the debate that I had conceded there was a God by not going after the cosmological argument was just “debate tactics”. He didn’t actually believe it.
I would never give an argument I believed not to be good just to win a debate. Craig and I go into these debates with very different attitudes. I am interested in truth. He’s interested in making believers of you, by any means necessary.
The person who follows the pursuit of reason unflinchingly toward its end will be atheistic or, at best, agnostic.
JHendrix wrote:This is the quote from Craig I was looking for:The person who follows the pursuit of reason unflinchingly toward its end will be atheistic or, at best, agnostic.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/200 ... ml?start=5
Shrunk wrote:JHendrix wrote:This is the quote from Craig I was looking for:The person who follows the pursuit of reason unflinchingly toward its end will be atheistic or, at best, agnostic.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/200 ... ml?start=5
Unreal. I was convinced you had quoted that out of context or that Craig was speaking ironically or as a devil's advocate, or something. But looking at the entire article, I can only conclude that this statement's meaning is exactly as read. He really does believe that society has taken a wrong turn in adopting the values of "the Enlightenment", "modernism", and "scientific naturalism", and that his job is simply to make Chrisitian apologetics seem to conform to these values so that people are more receptive to the witness of the Holy Spirit. But he doesn't actually believe that reason and rationality are actually capable of revealing truth. It's just useful to pretend he does.
A robust natural theology may well be necessary for the gospel to be effectively heard in Western society today. In general, Western culture is deeply post-Christian. It is the product of the Enlightenment, which introduced into European culture the leaven of secularism that has by now permeated Western society. While most of the original Enlightenment thinkers were themselves theists, the majority of Western intellectuals today no longer considers theological knowledge to be possible. The person who follows the pursuit of reason unflinchingly toward its end will be atheistic or, at best, agnostic.
JHendrix wrote:I didn't want to seem like it was out of context, but after reading the context enough times to make sure it was "OK", I came to the exact same conclusion.
Here is the whole context:A robust natural theology may well be necessary for the gospel to be effectively heard in Western society today. In general, Western culture is deeply post-Christian. It is the product of the Enlightenment, which introduced into European culture the leaven of secularism that has by now permeated Western society. While most of the original Enlightenment thinkers were themselves theists, the majority of Western intellectuals today no longer considers theological knowledge to be possible. The person who follows the pursuit of reason unflinchingly toward its end will be atheistic or, at best, agnostic.
JHendrix wrote:This is the quote from Craig I was looking for:The person who follows the pursuit of reason unflinchingly toward its end will be atheistic or, at best, agnostic.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/200 ... ml?start=5
Stephen Colbert wrote:Now, like all great theologies, Bill [O'Reilly]'s can be boiled down to one sentence - 'There must be a god, because I don't know how things work.'
Should a conflict arise between the witness of the Holy Spirit to the fundamental truth of the Christian faith and beliefs based on argument and evidence, then it is the former which must take precedence over the latter, not vice versa.
Therefore, when a person refuses to come to Christ it is never just because of lack of evidence or because of intellectual difficulties: at root, he refuses to come because he willingly ignores and rejects the drawing of God's Spirit on his heart. No one in the final analysis really fails to become a Christian because of lack of arguments; he fails to become a Christian because he loves darkness rather than light and wants nothing to do with God.
The existence and nature of the creation is due to the direct miraculous power of God. The origin of the universe, the origin of life, the origin of kinds of living things, and the origin of humans cannot be explained adequately apart from reference to that intelligent exercise of power. A proper understanding of science does not require that all phenomena in nature must be explained solely by reference to physical events, laws and chance.
byofrcs wrote:Ah, I see the Fallacy of the Argument from a nice Venue has been brought up. This is where, if a position is expounded, then it is more true in proportion to how nice the building you present this argument in.
Fact remains, Einstein could have written his papers in a garbage dump and there would be more understanding about the god of nature from those than any number of debates by Craig in the hallowed wood panelled halls of higher learning.
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