Animavore wrote:Fenrir wrote:Animavore wrote:What is this dogma atheists are holding to? It's not explained.
I'm also not sure what is wrong with intolerance of contradiction, especially if one has an evidenced based worldview. If someone has a view opposed to the facts, like creationists or climate denialism, they're simply wrong. End of story. I don't feel obliged to entertain that.
Or am I misunderstanding what is meant here?
Maybe missing an equivocation between tolerating unevidenced bullshit and tolerating people. I can quite happily tolerate someones right to believe bullshit while calling out said bullshit and decrying the negative effect of said bullshit on society.
Hard to tell without getting behind that paywall and caring enough to dig into the paper.
It is something to consider alright. You often hear of multi-faith discussions, which atheists are never invited to, where the religious come up with ways they more or less agree they believe in the same God through different paths.
Viewed this way, the religious would look open-minded and receptive to each other's wooly ideas, while an atheist would appear hostile to all of them.
Well, they're all used to squaring off the round peg of old belief and sacred texts to accommodate the knowledge available these days that clearly wasn't when the ignorant scribes did their thing. So being used to finding some common ground or wiggle room to keep their beliefs intact isn't so hard to transfer onto someone else pretty much pulling the same stunt with their beliefs.
It's a bit trickier if you either never believed any of it to start with or stopped believing it, to not simply consider all of it to be bollocks. Different faith heads are probably more tolerant of say, religious schooling (provided they're getting their own brand of wibble taught and not having another forced on them) than atheists who don't want religion taught as fact, whatever flavour.
The argument between the big Abrahamic faiths is essentially acknowledgement that they all believe in the same psychotic god character but believe everyone who doesn't kiss his arse just the way they do is doing it wrong.....but at least they're giving it a go and believe in him etc. These bloody atheists are going around suggesting that the whole bunch of them are wrong, and they're not just bickering over the odd detail like does a wafer and wine symbolise flesh and blood or actually become it or some such nonsense, they're dismissing the whole caboodle as made up nonsense, downgrading sacred "Truth" to mere mortal myth. It's the scale of the schism they're calling intolerance I think. A little detail here and there is a disagreement but to reject the whole is intolerance.
And then to not allow the religious to dictate as they used to, weilding political power and providing uncriticised education as they used to with abandon is seen as intolerant.
And then they started to insist on prosecuting child rapists publicly and wanting to jail them rather than usher them away quietly whilst trying to maintain a veneer of respectability and authority, most of all the position of the keeper of the source of ultimate morality.
Basically, not allowing them to do as they once did is intolerance to some. To be able to challenge beliefs openly without fear of punishment (as was the case when religion held the political power, and still is the case in parts of the world where it does) is intolerance apparently. The irony is not lost, nor is the incredible hubris that Catholics are whining about intolerance of their beliefs etc. The very church who were responsible for so many deaths as they persecuted anyone who did not profess to believe exactly as they demanded. The butthurt seems to boil down to, they're just having to take the criticism of their beliefs, Bible, behaviour etc on the chin and there's no protection like there used to be.
They have virtually no political power. They aren't the arbiters of what is moral any more and every paedophile exposed is another nail in that coffin, along with every state decision allowing things like abortion and gay marriage etc. People can openly question, criticise and deny the existence of god freely, they can go as far as to attack ( not physically) the church without penalty.
The atheists haven't arrived at anything close to the intolerance that the Catholic Church once had of anyone not Catholic, or the Protestants had of Catholics, or the Islamic Jihadists had of anyone not Islamic or the Jews had of the Amelekites etc yet, not even close to the ball park, not even looking for a spot in the car park, and they're whining. At least they can be confident there won't be persecutions of the religious by the Atheists, just a rejection of ideas
The Bible is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies.
Mark Twain
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