Something My Dad Said....

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Re: Something My Dad Said....

#21  Postby hackenslash » Mar 05, 2010 4:30 pm

This is the fallacy of post hoc appeal to consequences. It took me a while to find a perfect example, but I did in the end. If it weren't for Hitler, Eric Kandel would not have won the Nobel prize for his work in signal transduction in the nervous system. Does this mean that Hitler was a good thing?
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Re: Something My Dad Said....

#22  Postby Moonwatcher » Mar 05, 2010 5:11 pm

Katherine wrote:Something my Dad said earlier has given me cause for thought - he said that if it weren't for religion, I wouldn't be here. He went to a C of E school (of his Christian parents' choice as it had a religious slant), then to university (he was the first one from his school to have done so) where he met my mother.

What upset me at the time was the fact I couldn't think of an immediate response - can anyone else think of a good retort?


I just read a story called "Time After Time" by Jack Finney. In the story, the main character, a time traveler, prevents someone from being born by distracting a man at a crucial moment when he would have met a woman and they would have become the parents of another person.

So hey, maybe there's some potential person who was never born because your dad met your mom instead of some other woman he would have met had he not gone to that school.

When you really think about it though, this is the equivalent of the argument that goes, "If your Mom had an abortion, you wouldn't have been born and grown up to be in favor of the right to abortion".

The rational mind sometimes boggles for a moment at how to respond to such circular arguments.
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Re: Something My Dad Said....

#23  Postby DoctorE » Mar 05, 2010 5:15 pm

And what about the Cyanobacteria.. I would thank them but since I got them in my aquarium I can't stand them ;)
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#24  Postby I'm With Stupid » Mar 05, 2010 7:44 pm

HughMcB wrote:My dad told me I was "a mistake, sorry accident"; in those exact words. :rofl:

Anything better than that would be a bonus to me. ;)

At least in that situation there might be more of a case. "We didn't have an abortion because of out Christian values" is a bit more reasonable than, "I was a Christian, so I went to a CofE school, so I got good grades, so I went to university, so I met your mother."
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#25  Postby MrFungus420 » Mar 07, 2010 3:06 pm

Katherine wrote:Something my Dad said earlier has given me cause for thought - he said that if it weren't for religion, I wouldn't be here. He went to a C of E school (of his Christian parents' choice as it had a religious slant), then to university (he was the first one from his school to have done so) where he met my mother.

What upset me at the time was the fact I couldn't think of an immediate response - can anyone else think of a good retort?


If it wasn't for Volkswagens, I wouldn't be here. My folks met when my dad sold my mom her first car...a Volkswagen.

That doesn't say anything about the quality of VWs.
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Re: Something My Dad Said....

#26  Postby 95Theses » Mar 07, 2010 3:40 pm

MrFungus420 wrote:
Katherine wrote:Something my Dad said earlier has given me cause for thought - he said that if it weren't for religion, I wouldn't be here. He went to a C of E school (of his Christian parents' choice as it had a religious slant), then to university (he was the first one from his school to have done so) where he met my mother.

What upset me at the time was the fact I couldn't think of an immediate response - can anyone else think of a good retort?


If it wasn't for Volkswagens, I wouldn't be here. My folks met when my dad sold my mom her first car...a Volkswagen.

That doesn't say anything about the quality of VWs.


Further, Volkswagen's wouldn't exist if hitler hadn't invented them.

As I said before, it doesn't mean you should be going around praising Hitler.
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