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#1  Postby Keep It Real » Apr 21, 2018 8:05 am

I just wrote this, which I've been planning for some time now, with the hope that I will be allowed to read it out/have it read out/distribute printouts to the congregation at church on Monday. It's a draft really I guess so any suggestions for improvements or refinements would of course be very welcome.

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Approximately eighteen months ago a couple of Jehovas Witnesses knocked on my door; one women in her twenties and one man in his forties. We engaged in a conversation which meandered around for a while and then I said that one of my problems with some people's take on Christianity is that they tend to dismiss science a lot of the time, for instance denying the reality of man made global warming, about which the scientific community is pretty well unanimous, and these so called Christians then make no attempt to help with that problem. The male Jehovas Witness then replied “That's the beauty of it: we haven't got to worry about that kind of thing because God will take care of it!”

Although of course this is not a Jehovas Witness congregation it is apparent that the same problem exists across all denominations of Christianity, as seen most saliently in the US Republican party's withdrawal from the Paris climate change accord. Incidentally the USA is the only country in the world to have withdrawn from that treaty. Donald Trump and his party are, of course, overwhelmingly deeply Christian, as opposed to the Democrats by in large, even reinstating weekly bible study group in the White House for the President and his senior staff for the first time since the colonial era. Protestant Christianity is the dominant Christian flavour in the US, not Jehovas Witness.

I believe these so called Christians, who sit idly by smiling at the sky, without a care in the world as they think they can just sit back and relax in God's arms, are in error. What disappointing creatures we would be to God if we didn't try to do right by our fellow humans, and indeed animals and the planet as a whole. I think it's pretty obvious how Jesus would lead by example on this, issue as with any other, where he tirelessly and selflessly laboured to alleviate the suffering of others and basically attempt to improve the situation in general.

Man-made climate change, also known as anthropogenic global warming (AGW for short) is one of the two most terrifyingly powerful threats to the prosperity of mankind, according to the late great Professor Stephen Hawkins, as he wrote shortly before his passing, the other being strong artificial intelligence. Personally, a part of me would like to own a car and fly around visiting foreign countries, but the carbon emissions from such transport methods just don't sit well with me, particularly jet air plane travel which dumps huge amounts of damaging emissions straight into the upper atmosphere, as my university environmental economics professor taught us.

As some of you may know I am technically an atheist, although I see many very fine and praiseworthy things in Christianity, which is part of the reason that Sarah, Dave and their colleagues make me feel so welcome here I think. There is no reason to think that atheists are the only people who should act to counter the spectre of man made climate change however, in fact, nothing should be further from the truth, if the teachings of Jesus were followed accurately as decent Christians know him, in my opinion. Thanks for listening, there are printouts of this text available in the lobby and feel free to take as many copies as you like, in fact the more the better!
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Re: Talking to Christians about AGW

#2  Postby Fallible » Apr 21, 2018 8:10 am

I can see a few spelling and grammatical errors if you want me to proof read it.
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#3  Postby Keep It Real » Apr 21, 2018 8:13 am

Yes please fal m8 : )
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#4  Postby Fallible » Apr 21, 2018 8:30 am

Keep It Real wrote:I just wrote this, which I've been planning for some time now, with the hope that I will be allowed to read it out/have it read out/distribute printouts to the congregation at church on Monday. It's a draft really I guess so any suggestions for improvements or refinements would of course be very welcome.

KIR wrote:
Approximately eighteen months ago a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses knocked on my door; one womean in her twenties and one man in his forties. We engaged in a conversation which meandered around for a while and then I said that one of my problems with some people's take on Christianity is that they tend to dismiss science a lot of the time, for instance denying the reality of man made global warming, about which the scientific community is pretty well unanimous, and these so called Christians then make no attempt to help with that problem. The male Jehovah's Witness then replied “That's the beauty of it: we haven't got to worry about that kind of thing because God will take care of it!”

Although of course this is not a Jehovah's Witness congregation it is apparent that the same problem exists across all denominations of Christianity, as seen most saliently in the US Republican Party's withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change Accord. Incidentally the USA is the only country in the world to have withdrawn from that treaty. Donald Trump and his party are, of course, overwhelmingly deeply Christian, as opposed to the Democrats by in and large, even reinstating a weekly Bible study group in the White House for the President and his senior staff for the first time since the colonial era. Protestant Christianity is the dominant Christian flavour in the US, not Jehovah's Witness.

I believe these so called Christians, who sit idly by smiling at the sky, without a care in the world as they think they can just sit back and relax in God's arms, are in error. What disappointing creatures we would be to God if we didn't try to do right by our fellow humans, and indeed animals and the planet as a whole. I think it's pretty obvious how Jesus would lead by example on this,issue as with any other, where he tirelessly and selflessly laboured to alleviate the suffering of others and basically attempt to improve the situation in general.

Man-made climate change, also known as anthropogenic global warming (AGW for short) is one of the two most terrifyingly powerful threats to the prosperity of mankind, according to the late great Professor Stephen Hawkinsg, as he wrote shortly before his passing, the other being strong artificial intelligence. Personally, a part of me would like to own a car and fly around visiting foreign countries, but the carbon emissions from such transport methods just don't sit well with me, particularly jet air plane travel which dumps huge amounts of damaging emissions straight into the upper atmosphere, as my university environmental economics professor taught us.

As some of you may know I am technically an atheist, although I see many very fine and praiseworthy things in Christianity, which is part of the reason that Sarah, Dave and their colleagues make me feel so welcome here I think. There is no reason to think that atheists are the only people who should act to counter the spectre of man made climate change however, in fact, nothing should be further from the truth, if the teachings of Jesus were followed accurately as decent Christians know him, in my opinion. Thanks for listening, there are printouts of this text available in the lobby and. Feel free to take as many copies as you like, in fact the more the better!


This is a quick go-through. There are a few run-on sentences you might want to look at.
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#5  Postby Hermit » Apr 21, 2018 8:57 am

Fallible wrote:I can see a few spelling and grammatical errors if you want me to proof read it.

Could you still see them if he did not? :tongue:
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Re: Talking to Christians about AGW

#6  Postby Keep It Real » Apr 21, 2018 9:29 am


Approximately eighteen months ago a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses knocked on my door; one woman in her twenties and one man in his forties. We engaged in a conversation which meandered around for a while and then I said that one of my problems with some people's take on Christianity is that they tend to dismiss science a lot of the time, for instance denying the reality of man made global warming, about which the scientific community is pretty well unanimous. These so called Christians then make no attempt to help with that problem. The male Jehovah's Witness then replied “That's the beauty of it: we haven't got to worry about that kind of thing because God will take care of it!”

Although of course this is not a Jehovah's Witness congregation it is apparent that the same problem exists across all denominations of Christianity, as seen most saliently in the US Republican P]arty's withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change Accord. Incidentally, the USA is the only country in the world to have withdrawn from that treaty. Donald Trump and his party are, of course, overwhelmingly deeply nominally Christian, as opposed to the Democrats by and large, even reinstating weekly Bible study groups in the White House for the President and his senior staff, for the first time since the colonial era. Protestant Christianity is the dominant Christian flavour in the US, not Jehovah's Witness.

I believe these so called Christians, who sit idly by smiling at the sky, without a care in the world as they think they can just recline and relax in God's arms, are in error. What disappointing creatures we would be to God if we didn't try to do right by our fellow humans, and indeed animals and the planet as a whole. I think it's pretty obvious how Jesus would lead by example on this issue as with any other, where he tirelessly and selflessly laboured to alleviate the suffering of others and basically attempt to improve the situation in general.

Man-made climate change, also known as anthropogenic global warming (AGW for short) is one of the two most terrifyingly powerful threats to the prosperity of mankind, according to the late great Professor Stephen Hawking, as he wrote shortly before his passing. The other threat he identified is strong artificial intelligence, but that's off topic. Personally, a part of me would like to own a car and fly around visiting foreign countries, but the carbon emissions from such transport methods just don't sit well with me. Jet air plane travel, which dumps huge amounts of damaging emissions straight into the upper atmosphere is particularly damaging, as my university environmental economics professor taught us.

As some of you may know I am technically an atheist, although I see many very fine and praiseworthy things in Christianity, which is part of the reason that Sarah, Dave and their colleagues make me feel so welcome here I think. There is no reason to think that atheists are the only people who should act to counter the spectre of man made climate change however, in fact, nothing should be further from the truth, if the teachings of Jesus are followed accurately as decent Christians know him, in my opinion. Thanks for listening, there are printouts of this text available in the lobby. Feel free to take as many copies as you like, in fact the more the better!


Thanks for that fal, dobre robota I reckon. I made tons of errors clearly lol, same old. I've chopped up (some of?) the run on sentences you identify as being....unusual? When in Rome, if one wishes to communicate with the Romans innit. Cheers :)
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#7  Postby Keep It Real » Apr 21, 2018 10:14 am

"Hawkins" :doh:

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#8  Postby Keep It Real » Apr 21, 2018 10:17 am

At least I know why I made that error then...hope the ghost of the Prof will forgive me ;)

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#9  Postby BlackBart » Apr 21, 2018 10:31 am

Keep It Real wrote:

Approximately eighteen months ago a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses knocked on my door; one woman in her twenties and one man in his forties. We engaged in a conversation which meandered around for a while and then I said that one of my problems with some people's take on Christianity is that they tend to dismiss science a lot of the time, for instance denying the reality of man made global warming, about which the scientific community is pretty well unanimous. These so called Christians then make no attempt to help with that problem. The male Jehovah's Witness then replied “That's the beauty of it: we haven't got to worry about that kind of thing because God will take care of it!”

Although of course this is not a Jehovah's Witness congregation it is apparent that the same problem exists across all denominations of Christianity, as seen most saliently in the US Republican P]arty's withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change Accord. Incidentally, the USA is the only country in the world to have withdrawn from that treaty. Donald Trump and his party are, of course, overwhelmingly deeply nominally Christian, as opposed to the Democrats by and large, even reinstating weekly Bible study groups in the White House for the President and his senior staff, for the first time since the colonial era. Protestant Christianity is the dominant Christian flavour in the US, not Jehovah's Witness.

I believe these so called Christians, who sit idly by smiling at the sky, without a care in the world as they think they can just recline and relax in God's arms, are in error. What disappointing creatures we would be to God if we didn't try to do right by our fellow humans, and indeed animals and the planet as a whole. I think it's pretty obvious how Jesus would lead by example on this issue as with any other, where he tirelessly and selflessly laboured to alleviate the suffering of others and basically attempt to improve the situation in general.

Man-made climate change, also known as anthropogenic global warming (AGW for short) is one of the two most terrifyingly powerful threats to the prosperity of mankind, according to the late great Professor Stephen Hawking, as he wrote shortly before his passing. The other threat he identified is strong artificial intelligence, but that's off topic. Personally, a part of me would like to own a car and fly around visiting foreign countries, but the carbon emissions from such transport methods just don't sit well with me. Jet air plane travel, which dumps huge amounts of damaging emissions straight into the upper atmosphere is particularly damaging, as my university environmental economics professor taught us.

As some of you may know I am technically an atheist, although I see many very fine and praiseworthy things in Christianity, which is part of the reason that Sarah, Dave and their colleagues make me feel so welcome here I think. There is no reason to think that atheists are the only people who should act to counter the spectre of man made climate change however, in fact, nothing should be further from the truth, if the teachings of Jesus are followed accurately as decent Christians know him, in my opinion. Thanks for listening, there are printouts of this text available in the lobby. Feel free to take as many copies as you like, in fact the more the better!


Thanks for that fal, dobre robota I reckon. I made tons of errors clearly lol, same old. I've chopped up (some of?) the run on sentences you identify as being....unusual? When in Rome, if one wishes to communicate with the Romans innit. Cheers :)


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#10  Postby Keep It Real » Apr 21, 2018 10:33 am

Well spotted BB, edit it out in your quote pls and that's the standing prototype.
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#11  Postby UncertainSloth » Apr 21, 2018 11:43 am

jeez, yes, you do like your run on sentences and overuse of commas, don't you?

Approximately eighteen months ago, a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses knocked on my door: one woman in her twenties and one man in his forties. We engaged in a conversation which meandered around for a while and then I said that one of my problems with some people's take on Christianity is that they tend to dismiss science a lot of the time. For instance, the denial of the reality of man-made global warming, about which the scientific community is pretty well unanimous. These so-called Christians then make no attempt to help with that problem. The male Jehovah's Witness then replied, “That's the beauty of it; we haven't got to worry about that kind of thing because God will take care of it!”

Although, of course, this is not a Jehovah's Witness congregation, it is apparent that the same problem exists across all denominations of Christianity - as seen most saliently in the US Republican Party's withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change Accord. Incidentally, the USA is the only country in the world to have withdrawn from that treaty. Donald Trump and his party are, of course, overwhelmingly deeply nominally Christian as opposed, by and large, to the Democrats - even reinstating weekly Bible study groups in the White House for the President and his senior staff for the first time since the colonial era. Protestant Christianity is the dominant Christian flavour in the US, not Jehovah's Witness.

I believe these so-called Christians, who sit idly by smiling at the sky without a care in the world thinking they can just recline and relax in God's arms, are in error. What disappointing creatures we would be to God if we didn't try to do right by our fellow humans and, indeed, animals and the planet as a whole. I think it's pretty obvious how Jesus would lead by example on this issue, as with any other, tirelessly and selflessly labouring to alleviate the suffering of others and basically attempt to improve the situation in general.

Man-made climate change, also known as anthropogenic global warming (AGW for short), is one of the two most terrifyingly powerful threats to the prosperity of mankind according to the late great Professor Stephen Hawking, as he wrote shortly before his passing. The other threat he identified is strong artificial intelligence, but that's off topic. Personally, a part of me would like to own a car and fly around visiting foreign countries, but the carbon emissions from such transport methods just don't sit well with me. Jet air plane travel, which dumps huge amounts of damaging emissions straight into the upper atmosphere, is particularly damaging, as my university environmental economics professor taught us.

As some of you may know, I am technically an atheist although I see many very fine and praiseworthy things in Christianity which is part of the reason that Sarah, Dave and their colleagues make me feel so welcome here, I think. There is no reason to think that atheists are the only people who should act to counter the spectre of man-made climate change. However, in fact, nothing should (could?)be further from the truth if the teachings of Jesus are followed accurately as decent Christians know him, in my opinion. Thanks for listening, there are printouts of this text available in the lobby. Feel free to take as many copies as you like. in fact, the more the better!


think i've got everything, though my eyes are going gaga with this editor....

i've also taken out some unnecessary commas but there's no easy way of showing that...also, does it work with 'in my opinion' at the end (highlighted in green) if you use 'in fact' at the beginning of the sentence

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#12  Postby UncertainSloth » Apr 21, 2018 11:44 am

think i quoted from your standing prototype in bb's post but i could be wrong...:D
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#13  Postby Keep It Real » Apr 21, 2018 11:52 am

It is a fact it is my opinion so I reckon that's OK. As for the (Could) I reckon that's a valid problem and should be changed to "could or should"...as for ur other suggestions/corrections US I'll have to come back to this tomorrow/much later I think 'cos I've been I've been..erm...celebrating...having finally been able to cross a proper job off my todo list. Go team!
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#14  Postby UncertainSloth » Apr 21, 2018 11:59 am

heh - doesnt take too much reading between those lines...;)

if it were me, i'd move 'in my opinion', to replace the embedded phrase of 'in fact' and end the sentence at 'him'...
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#15  Postby LucidFlight » Apr 21, 2018 12:02 pm

I can offer you a colon and an -ing.

I think it's pretty obvious how Jesus would lead by example on this issue, as with any other: tirelessly and selflessly labouring to alleviate the suffering of others and basically attempting to improve the situation in general.
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Re: Talking to Christians about AGW

#16  Postby zulumoose » Apr 21, 2018 12:25 pm

I would add that if I were a believer, no matter how quickly I believed divine intervention was coming, I would still think it wise to act as though we were the appointed caretakers of the world, not just users. An atheist believes we are responsible for our own actions, but if a Christian believes he is appointed by God, shouldn't his motivation be even greater?
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#17  Postby UncertainSloth » Apr 21, 2018 1:00 pm

LucidFlight wrote:I can offer you a colon and an -ing.

I think it's pretty obvious how Jesus would lead by example on this issue, as with any other: tirelessly and selflessly labouring to alleviate the suffering of others and basically attempting to improve the situation in general.


good spot - i forgot to change the attempt suffix when i fiddled with labour....
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#18  Postby Keep It Real » Apr 21, 2018 6:17 pm

Keep It Real wrote:At least I know why I made that error then...hope the ghost of the Prof will forgive me ;)

ETA: I had by far my biggest ever win when he won the World Championship - well over £1000.


Hang on no - that was Stuart Bingham - that big win...but Barry Hawkins' name is what stitched me up on that still no doubt in my mind...anyway, not touching the proper subject of this thread tonight I don't think, and I'm so very happy the crew have got involved in the project, improving the txt supportively and enthusiastically. I'll most likely come back to it tomorrow and draw a line under my printout version for deployment, although I feel zulumoose's comment needs considerable consideration I'm optimistic it'll be managed and then I can say "not bad for a Sunday" as usual. X
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#19  Postby Keep It Real » Apr 21, 2018 8:17 pm

Keep It Real wrote:...and then I can say "not bad for a Sunday" as usual.


Atually no, I need to work very substantially and effectively on the next item too in order to say that tomoz...my rules...myself...talking to myself...post anyway : )
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#20  Postby Keep It Real » Apr 22, 2018 9:09 am

zulumoose wrote:I would add that if I were a believer, no matter how quickly I believed divine intervention was coming, I would still think it wise to act as though we were the appointed caretakers of the world, not just users. An atheist believes we are responsible for our own actions, but if a Christian believes he is appointed by God, shouldn't his motivation be even greater?


I think the message conveyed in your post zulu could perhaps be more accessibly and expediently conveyed by saying:

"99.9% of the time we know the right thing to do, as the Holy Spirit guides us, and that guidance need be followed at all times unless we are to be burdened with feelings of guilt and remorse, let alone any devine retribution which may strike like lightning if we do not follow the moral compass."

That seems to cover the bases for theists and atheists alike. Well worth adding to the txt I reckon.
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