J Hubner wrote:

Agrippina wrote:He's deflecting. To avoid discussing Monkey Boy's case study, he makes some arbitrary relationship between "childishness" and "how old are you."

Back to case studies.
I've known a few people who've used religion to try to "cure" themselves of "the sin of lusting after people of the same sex" who, once they've come out the closet, admitted their sexuality have gone on to have successful religion-free relationships with new people. Suppressing a perfectly harmless inclination to prefer people of the same gender and being made to feel guilty about it, with the aid of a church has driven people to suicide and, in a few people I've known has driven them to be overly religious. Personal anecdotes I know but I'm sure that there are studies to show this is true.

How sad, you dismissed any evidence I presented, did not investigate my claims, and swallowed monkeybois's unsupported claims & assertions hook line and sinker because he played a tune on his lyre that was pleasent to your ears. Double standarts much,Typical village atheist mentality.

Il let you resume discussing monkeybor's ''case study'' , ''Laughing out loud!''

I don't quite understanding what your hysteria is all about.

Allow me to explain the difference between "personal experience" "anecdotal evidence" and a "case study" to you.

I shall start the lesson with an example of a case study:

This is Monkeyboy's quote:

One case scenario. A young .......
I could list several cases with similarities, some much more tragic than this one.

You will note that I replaced the intervening text between the bolded words with a series of dots.... This indicates that the intervening text is not necessary for the discussion at hand. From the use of the word "case" and from Monkey Boy's method of presenting the case, it is obvious that he is citing evidence of an actual patient who was actually treated in some or other facility where he may or may not have been employed. This is an excellent example of a case study. Anyone who has done some form or tertiary study in the Humanities is very familiar with the use of "case study" when explaining a concept.

Therefore it is perfectly acceptable that the "case" described by Monkey Boy was a case study and not anecdotal evidence or personal experience which I shall now proceed to explain to you.

Anecdotal evidence is when the person telling the story begins the story with "there was this guy who lived in my town/went to my school/worked in my company, who..... " The person who is the subject of the story might not be known to the person telling the story, they might simply be someone who they heard about in the lunch room. This is not valid evidence for use when explaining a concept.

Another concept which is not acceptable as evidence is the third one, known as personal experience. This is when someone tells a story about something that happened to them and which they are using to explain a concept, or to use as evidence. When used to explain a concept, for instance if I want to explain the concept of breast-feeding, it is perfectly acceptable for me to cite that my young granddaughter is being fed milk from her mother's breasts and that I have personally seen her mother offer her breast to the child to feed. But as evidence for a formal thesis, the fact that my granddaughter is being breastfed is not enough of a sample of the number of babies who are breastfed generally in the world. I may say that I know what it is and how it is done, but not that because one of my two daughters-in-law breastfed her child, it is evidence that one out of two babies is breastfed.

Therefore personal experience may be used to explain a concept as is a case study, but an anecdote that was not personally experienced, or seen by the person reporting it is not. Of the three, a case study may be used as evidence because case studies are usually rigorously documented by the authorities conducting the study of people in particular situations. Therefore Monkey Boy's use of the words 'case study' to explain the reaction of a young person to his guilt feelings about his behaviour which was disapproved of by his religion, is valid.

Religious people get very emotional about the dismissal of personal experience and anecdotal evidence about the Bible because none, or rather very little of the Bible was written from case studies or properly recorded evidence. Most of it was from anecdotal "evidence" or stories handed down verbally by story tellers, and where the books are the work of the authors that they claim to be the originator of the book, as in the case of Paul's letters, although the words might be, in this case, Paul's words, the stories he is telling are from second or more hand stories he heard from other people. Which is why the Bible is evidence for nothing except some printed words on paper translated from some ancient texts written in ancient languages by people who were not as scrupulously trained in the discipline of translation as they are today and unless read from the original text, are suspect.

I hope this has cleared up some misconceptions and misunderstanding of the use of evidence in a discussion.

And please, when you address me or respond to my posts, please make the effort to spell my name, Agrippina, correctly.

Calilasseia wrote:If, on the other hand, Manchester United ends up languishing somewhere near the bottom of the Premier League, and during the season finds itself being thrashed 7-0 by a non-league team in the FA Cup preliminary rounds, then those assertions start to look ever so slightly fatuous.

Premier League teams do not participate in the FA Cup preliminary rounds, nor rounds 1 and 2 proper. They enter the competition in round 3 proper.

Just saying.

J Hubner wrote:
I hope you will forgive my mistake. You avatar is that of a G.I Joe and your name is ''speartrower'' what did you expect?

My avatar is a spearthrower, and my name 'Spearthrower' is what? Juvenile? Why so? Never having had anyone suggest so before, it might reflect more on your own impression-crafting that anything essential about my chosen forum name.

Actually, if you know your etymology of Celtic languages, you would be able to work out my real name from this, as that's what it means 'Spearthrower'.

Matthew Shute wrote:

J Hubner wrote:I hope you will forgive my mistake. You avatar is that of a G.I Joe and your name is ''speartrower'' what did you expect?

If you've looked at the avatar, you will have seen this:

Spearthrower
Posts: 8224
Age: 35
Country: Thailand

It's not the most fiendish of puzzles to determine Spearthrower's age.

Even more amazingly, I told him twice to look to the right hand side of the post, or to check my profile! Methinks there's some porkies being told here.

Agrippina wrote:

J Hubner wrote:

Agrippina wrote:He's deflecting. To avoid discussing Monkey Boy's case study, he makes some arbitrary relationship between "childishness" and "how old are you."

Back to case studies.
I've known a few people who've used religion to try to "cure" themselves of "the sin of lusting after people of the same sex" who, once they've come out the closet, admitted their sexuality have gone on to have successful religion-free relationships with new people. Suppressing a perfectly harmless inclination to prefer people of the same gender and being made to feel guilty about it, with the aid of a church has driven people to suicide and, in a few people I've known has driven them to be overly religious. Personal anecdotes I know but I'm sure that there are studies to show this is true.

How sad, you dismissed any evidence I presented, did not investigate my claims, and swallowed monkeybois's unsupported claims & assertions hook line and sinker because he played a tune on his lyre that was pleasent to your ears. Double standarts much,Typical village atheist mentality.

Il let you resume discussing monkeybor's ''case study'' , ''Laughing out loud!''

I don't quite understanding what your hysteria is all about.

Allow me to explain the difference between "personal experience" "anecdotal evidence" and a "case study" to you.

I shall start the lesson with an example of a case study:

This is Monkeyboy's quote:

One case scenario. A young .......
I could list several cases with similarities, some much more tragic than this one.

You will note that I replaced the intervening text between the bolded words with a series of dots.... This indicates that the intervening text is not necessary for the discussion at hand. From the use of the word "case" and from Monkey Boy's method of presenting the case, it is obvious that he is citing evidence of an actual patient who was actually treated in some or other facility where he may or may not have been employed. This is an excellent example of a case study. Anyone who has done some form or tertiary study in the Humanities is very familiar with the use of "case study" when explaining a concept.

Therefore it is perfectly acceptable that the "case" described by Monkey Boy was a case study and not anecdotal evidence or personal experience which I shall now proceed to explain to you.

Anecdotal evidence is when the person telling the story begins the story with "there was this guy who lived in my town/went to my school/worked in my company, who..... " The person who is the subject of the story might not be known to the person telling the story, they might simply be someone who they heard about in the lunch room. This is not valid evidence for use when explaining a concept.

Another concept which is not acceptable as evidence is the third one, known as personal experience. This is when someone tells a story about something that happened to them and which they are using to explain a concept, or to use as evidence. When used to explain a concept, for instance if I want to explain the concept of breast-feeding, it is perfectly acceptable for me to cite that my young granddaughter is being fed milk from her mother's breasts and that I have personally seen her mother offer her breast to the child to feed. But as evidence for a formal thesis, the fact that my granddaughter is being breastfed is not enough of a sample of the number of babies who are breastfed generally in the world. I may say that I know what it is and how it is done, but not that because one of my two daughters-in-law breastfed her child, it is evidence that one out of two babies is breastfed.

Therefore personal experience may be used to explain a concept as is a case study, but an anecdote that was not personally experienced, or seen by the person reporting it is not. Of the three, a case study may be used as evidence because case studies are usually rigorously documented by the authorities conducting the study of people in particular situations. Therefore Monkey Boy's use of the words 'case study' to explain the reaction of a young person to his guilt feelings about his behaviour which was disapproved of by his religion, is valid.

Religious people get very emotional about the dismissal of personal experience and anecdotal evidence about the Bible because none, or rather very little of the Bible was written from case studies or properly recorded evidence. Most of it was from anecdotal "evidence" or stories handed down verbally by story tellers, and where the books are the work of the authors that they claim to be the originator of the book, as in the case of Paul's letters, although the words might be, in this case, Paul's words, the stories he is telling are from second or more hand stories he heard from other people. Which is why the Bible is evidence for nothing except some printed words on paper translated from some ancient texts written in ancient languages by people who were not as scrupulously trained in the discipline of translation as they are today and unless read from the original text, are suspect.

I hope this has cleared up some misconceptions and misunderstanding of the use of evidence in a discussion.

And please, when you address me or respond to my posts, please make the effort to spell my name, Agrippina, correctly.

Are you really 100 years old?

Most certainly, JH, believing in a fantasy has certain psychological benefits, particularly in regard to happiness. My child happily believes in tooth fairies and fat men who bring presents on a former pagan holiday. However, there is a certain stage in a person's maturing where he/she should probably confront reality rather than live in some anodyne virtual fantasy.

J Hubner wrote:

Agrippina wrote:

J Hubner wrote:

Agrippina wrote:He's deflecting. To avoid discussing Monkey Boy's case study, he makes some arbitrary relationship between "childishness" and "how old are you."

Back to case studies.
I've known a few people who've used religion to try to "cure" themselves of "the sin of lusting after people of the same sex" who, once they've come out the closet, admitted their sexuality have gone on to have successful religion-free relationships with new people. Suppressing a perfectly harmless inclination to prefer people of the same gender and being made to feel guilty about it, with the aid of a church has driven people to suicide and, in a few people I've known has driven them to be overly religious. Personal anecdotes I know but I'm sure that there are studies to show this is true.

How sad, you dismissed any evidence I presented, did not investigate my claims, and swallowed monkeybois's unsupported claims & assertions hook line and sinker because he played a tune on his lyre that was pleasent to your ears. Double standarts much,Typical village atheist mentality.

Il let you resume discussing monkeybor's ''case study'' , ''Laughing out loud!''

I don't quite understanding what your hysteria is all about.

Allow me to explain the difference between "personal experience" "anecdotal evidence" and a "case study" to you.

I shall start the lesson with an example of a case study:

This is Monkeyboy's quote:

One case scenario. A young .......
I could list several cases with similarities, some much more tragic than this one.

You will note that I replaced the intervening text between the bolded words with a series of dots.... This indicates that the intervening text is not necessary for the discussion at hand. From the use of the word "case" and from Monkey Boy's method of presenting the case, it is obvious that he is citing evidence of an actual patient who was actually treated in some or other facility where he may or may not have been employed. This is an excellent example of a case study. Anyone who has done some form or tertiary study in the Humanities is very familiar with the use of "case study" when explaining a concept.

Therefore it is perfectly acceptable that the "case" described by Monkey Boy was a case study and not anecdotal evidence or personal experience which I shall now proceed to explain to you.

Anecdotal evidence is when the person telling the story begins the story with "there was this guy who lived in my town/went to my school/worked in my company, who..... " The person who is the subject of the story might not be known to the person telling the story, they might simply be someone who they heard about in the lunch room. This is not valid evidence for use when explaining a concept.

Another concept which is not acceptable as evidence is the third one, known as personal experience. This is when someone tells a story about something that happened to them and which they are using to explain a concept, or to use as evidence. When used to explain a concept, for instance if I want to explain the concept of breast-feeding, it is perfectly acceptable for me to cite that my young granddaughter is being fed milk from her mother's breasts and that I have personally seen her mother offer her breast to the child to feed. But as evidence for a formal thesis, the fact that my granddaughter is being breastfed is not enough of a sample of the number of babies who are breastfed generally in the world. I may say that I know what it is and how it is done, but not that because one of my two daughters-in-law breastfed her child, it is evidence that one out of two babies is breastfed.

Therefore personal experience may be used to explain a concept as is a case study, but an anecdote that was not personally experienced, or seen by the person reporting it is not. Of the three, a case study may be used as evidence because case studies are usually rigorously documented by the authorities conducting the study of people in particular situations. Therefore Monkey Boy's use of the words 'case study' to explain the reaction of a young person to his guilt feelings about his behaviour which was disapproved of by his religion, is valid.

Religious people get very emotional about the dismissal of personal experience and anecdotal evidence about the Bible because none, or rather very little of the Bible was written from case studies or properly recorded evidence. Most of it was from anecdotal "evidence" or stories handed down verbally by story tellers, and where the books are the work of the authors that they claim to be the originator of the book, as in the case of Paul's letters, although the words might be, in this case, Paul's words, the stories he is telling are from second or more hand stories he heard from other people. Which is why the Bible is evidence for nothing except some printed words on paper translated from some ancient texts written in ancient languages by people who were not as scrupulously trained in the discipline of translation as they are today and unless read from the original text, are suspect.

I hope this has cleared up some misconceptions and misunderstanding of the use of evidence in a discussion.

And please, when you address me or respond to my posts, please make the effort to spell my name, Agrippina, correctly.

Are you really 100 years old?

You know, sometimes trolling can be fun to read. This, not so much. You fail.

How old I am is of no relevance except to the governmental authorities who for some reason have to know how old you are for every single thing you have to report to them. A wise man once told me "you're only as old as the woman you feel." As I don't feel up any women, I can be as old as I want to be. In my head, ie. the way I think of myself, I'm around 25, my body feels like it should've been retired 200 years ago (and when I look in the mirror I wonder how someone so young could've got that old so quickly), and my brain is that of an eager post-graduate student, to my grandchildren, I'm a soft lap to sleep on and my eldest child is not yet, but almost 40 so figure it out. There is still a lot for me to learn, and I've forgotten a lot of what I learnt in the past, so 100 sounds about a good age to attain. I'll start reporting my real age when I actually reach 100, when most of you will be old farts yourselves, and hopefully still eager to learn new things. Now back to the usefulness of religion. I've still to be convinced that there is some reason why anyone would have a use for it, except to annoy me.

Agrippina wrote:How old I am is of no relevance except to the governmental authorities who for some reason have to know how old you are for every single thing you have to report to them. A wise man once told me "you're only as old as the woman you feel." As I don't feel up any women, I can be as old as I want to be. In my head, ie. the way I think of myself, I'm around 25, my body feels like it should've been retired 200 years ago (and when I look in the mirror I wonder how someone so young could've got that old so quickly), and my brain is that of an eager post-graduate student, to my grandchildren, I'm a soft lap to sleep on and my eldest child is not yet, but almost 40 so figure it out. There is still a lot for me to learn, and I've forgotten a lot of what I learnt in the past, so 100 sounds about a good age to attain. I'll start reporting my real age when I actually reach 100, when most of you will be old farts yourselves, and hopefully still eager to learn new things. Now back to the usefulness of religion. I've still to be convinced that there is some reason why anyone would have a use for it, except to annoy me.

Pfff! I intend to be napping in my soup, talking about the war, and calling my grandchildren by the wrong name.

I've been calling my kids by the wrong name since they were born, but that's not difficult seeing my OCD made me give them all the same first initial.