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#21  Postby Fallible » Jan 30, 2012 10:27 am

Ah, it's all because atheism isn't an actual thing, but an absence of belief. Rainbow is making a 'point' by saying that because of this, it lacks intelligence. So you see it looks insulting, but is actually perfectly benign. :coffee:
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#22  Postby DoctorE » Jan 30, 2012 2:23 pm

Uhh.. My atheism has nothing to do with Dawk.. or any others; Its just a response to theism; Will die when/if theists keep their delusion for themselves.

From Attenborough to Alain de Botton, the faithless are rejecting the shrill atheism of Dawkins
There's something divine in the air. Agnostics and atheists are beginning to nod respectfully in the direction of the Almighty, while still, of course, maintaining that He's not there.

Just before he died, Christopher Hitchens expressed some generous sympathy for the Christian worldview, much to the evident frustration of his interlocutor Richard Dawkins. Then philosopher Alain "I'm not pretending to be an atheist" de Botton had his own transfiguration moment the other day when he proposed a "temple to atheism", because (I think) he acknowledges a human capacity for transcendance.

Now the venerable, agnostic natural historian Sir David Attenborough has confessed to Kirsty Young on Desert Island Discs that there might, after all, be a God: "I don't think an understanding and an acceptance of the four billion-year-long history of life is any way inconsistent with a belief in a supreme being."


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#23  Postby Agrippina » Jan 30, 2012 2:43 pm

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Mick wrote:Atheism is pretty stupid either way, guys.


You are quite wrong.

Atheism lacks intelligence.


If course it lacks intelligence, it is concept, not a thing with a brain, therefore no intelligence.
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#24  Postby The Hanging Monkey » Jan 30, 2012 2:43 pm

quisquose wrote:He's still an atheist by any definition that I understand.

He's also agnostic, but then so are most people, again by any definition that I understand.

I'm an agnostic atheist, just like Sir David.

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#25  Postby Calilasseia » Jan 30, 2012 2:44 pm

Fallible wrote:Ah, it's all because atheism isn't an actual thing, but an absence of belief. Rainbow is making a 'point' by saying that because of this, it lacks intelligence. So you see it looks insulting, but is actually perfectly benign. :coffee:


Well I would argue that not accepting uncritically unsupported blind mythological assertions, and instead, subjecting them to critical test, is an intelligent process. Of course, when we engage in this process, a frequent response from supernaturalists consists of erecting snide, condescending dismissals, to the effect that we purportedly don't know what we're talking about, that we don't understand the "real meaning" of the text, etc. This despite the fact that supernaturalists themselves don't agree upon the so-called "real meaning" of the text, and frequently demonstrate that if anyone is lacking in substantive knowledge about the issues, it's them.

Plus, I love how some supernaturalists describe the business of trying to assert one's magic man into existence as "philosophy", as though erecting yet more assertions, then pretending that reality rearranges itself to conform thereto, somehow constitutes a startling brand of wisdom, when five year olds routinely engage in this exercise when partaking of fantasy play for their personal entertainment. We don't treat a five year old's assertion about being an elephant or a B-17 as being anything other than mildly amusing, so why are similarly content-free assertions about a magic man supposed to be treated as if they're on the same level as, say, Schrödinger's Wave Equation, or the Majorana formulation of spinor calculus?

I'd really like to see something other than yet more hot air in answer to this question.
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#26  Postby Pulsar » Jan 30, 2012 3:11 pm



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#27  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 30, 2012 3:39 pm

I think publicly David Attenborough says he is an agnostic. Remember the Beeb's track record on secularism is not good andit has been David's employer for a long time. Privately I think he is an atheist.

His reply on BBC Radio 4 in the op is almost my definition of atheism. We cnt disprove that there are no deities but up now no eveidence has been given.

In the video's it is clearly a very strong anti-creationist and goes into great depths to prove it.
That is actually a very good question for the creationist camp: If there is a god why did he create parasites to torchure us.

Like David's story about the small boy in Africa whose eye is being eating by a worm. A boy who has done nothing and innocent but yet he has this worm eating away his eye. Would a true loving god create such a vile creature that torchures this small boy?
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#28  Postby Ironclad » Jan 30, 2012 3:56 pm

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Ironclad wrote:When asked if he believed in god, David Battenburg replied, when I see parasitic worms eating the eyes of the poorest children in the poorest of lands, one is inclined to doubt.
Something like that.


According to wikiqoute it's from the BBC documentary Life on Air (2002)

I often get letters, quite frequently, from people who say how they like the programmes a lot, but I never give credit to the almighty power that created nature. To which I reply and say, "Well, it's funny that the people, when they say that this is evidence of the Almighty, always quote beautiful things. They always quote orchids and hummingbirds and butterflies and roses." But I always have to think too of a little boy sitting on the banks of a river in west Africa who has a worm boring through his eyeball, turning him blind before he's five years old. And I reply and say, "Well, presumably the God you speak about created the worm as well," and now, I find that baffling to credit a merciful God with that action. And therefore it seems to me safer to show things that I know to be truth, truthful and factual, and allow people to make up their own minds about the moralities of this thing, or indeed the theology of this thing.


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#29  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 30, 2012 3:59 pm

It is in the video above as well.
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#30  Postby HughMcB » Jan 30, 2012 4:15 pm

'There might be a FSM', says Sir HughMcB M.D.

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#31  Postby Ironclad » Jan 30, 2012 4:19 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:It is in the video above as well.


Ah yeh, missed that.
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#32  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 30, 2012 4:27 pm

HughMcB wrote:'There might be a FSM', says Sir HughMcB M.D.

/thread


Yes of course. The tea pot could really in orbit as well.
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#33  Postby John P. M. » Jan 30, 2012 5:22 pm

DoctorE wrote:
From Attenborough to Alain de Botton, the faithless are rejecting the shrill atheism of Dawkins
There's something divine in the air. Agnostics and atheists are beginning to nod respectfully in the direction of the Almighty, while still, of course, maintaining that He's not there.

Just before he died, Christopher Hitchens expressed some generous sympathy for the Christian worldview, much to the evident frustration of his interlocutor Richard Dawkins. Then philosopher Alain "I'm not pretending to be an atheist" de Botton had his own transfiguration moment the other day when he proposed a "temple to atheism", because (I think) he acknowledges a human capacity for transcendance.

Now the venerable, agnostic natural historian Sir David Attenborough has confessed to Kirsty Young on Desert Island Discs that there might, after all, be a God: "I don't think an understanding and an acceptance of the four billion-year-long history of life is any way inconsistent with a belief in a supreme being."


Continues: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... z1kx3EfLlP

I find it funny how whenever someone notable mentions there might be something in existence we could possibly call 'god', the theists come out of the woodwork to claim that might for their own, very specific religious view, with all the books and angels and martyrs and saints and resurrections and ancient patriarchs and mythology thrown into the neat little package.

"Yeah - even some atheists now acknowledge a human capacity for transcendence. Good for them. That means they're locked into Jesus (or Allah) mode now, since that's all there is to transcendence. Yay - no more atheists - even if they themselves think they still are".
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#34  Postby quisquose » Jan 30, 2012 5:44 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
HughMcB wrote:'There might be a FSM', says Sir HughMcB M.D.

/thread


Yes of course. The tea pot could really in orbit as well.


To be honest, I don't think an understanding and an acceptance of the four billion-year-long history of life is any way inconsistent with a belief in either the FSM or an orbiting tea pot.

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#35  Postby quisquose » Jan 30, 2012 5:48 pm

John P. M. wrote:I find it funny how whenever someone notable mentions there might be something in existence we could possibly call 'god', the theists come out of the woodwork to claim that might for their own, very specific religious view, with all the books and angels and martyrs and saints and resurrections and ancient patriarchs and mythology thrown into the neat little package.

"Yeah - even some atheists now acknowledge a human capacity for transcendence. Good for them. That means they're locked into Jesus (or Allah) mode now, since that's all there is to transcendence. Yay - no more atheists - even if they themselves think they still are".


Remember those atheist billboards and the "probably no God" message.

How the theists laughed at our uncertainty. "Call yourselves atheists when you're not even certain", they would say. :roll:
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#36  Postby The Hanging Monkey » Jan 30, 2012 5:51 pm

HughMcB wrote:'There might be a FSM', says Sir HughMcB M.D.

/thread


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#37  Postby CarlPierce » Feb 03, 2012 2:09 pm

I found it insulting that they insist on giving all the desert Isle guests a bible.
(or other holy book if they are muslims etc).

Why not give all guests a copy of the god delusion ?
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#38  Postby rainbow » Feb 09, 2012 8:06 am

Paul wrote:
rainbow wrote:
Mick wrote:Atheism is pretty stupid either way, guys.


You are quite wrong.

Atheism lacks intelligence.

The lack of belief in something lacks something else?

Why not?
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#39  Postby pinkharrier » Feb 09, 2012 9:08 am

Well put me down as a "don't know" too. What I do know is that I would love to leave a legacy as rich as Sir Dave. Most importantly, what discs did he choose?
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#40  Postby J Hubner » Feb 09, 2012 2:03 pm

He is quite right.
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