Wanted: A coherent definition of the Abrahamic god

Made of Stars · #1 by **Made of Stars** » Dec 28, 2011 7:42 am

Jireh wrote:Please present the reasons, which most convince you strong atheism is true. Base it on a positive arguments , not on a negative ( the bible is garbage etc..... )

In another thread, Jireh posted the above.

On reflection, I came to the question: If a coherent positive argument for a-theism is to be presented, a coherent definition of theism must exist, and specifically, a coherent definition of the object of theism should be provided.

So how about it theists? Can you provide a coherent definition of god? As the common object on this forum is the Abrahamic god (YWHW, the triune god, Allah, etc) let's run with that one. Perhaps once you've come up with a consistent definition, we can have a common base to work from, define atheism, and develop arguments for and against that position.

:cheers:

Spearthrower · #2 by **Spearthrower** » Dec 28, 2011 7:58 am

I think you're asking a bit much there MoS. They've had 2000 years or more and no one's managed it yet.

Made of Stars · #3 by **Made of Stars** » Dec 28, 2011 8:17 am

Spearthrower wrote:I think you're asking a bit much there MoS. They've had 2000 years or more and no one's managed it yet.

Maybe, but I'm hoping for a little more than 'I am that I am'.

ramseyoptom · #4 by **ramseyoptom** » Dec 28, 2011 2:59 pm

I suspect that most of the thiests who post on this forum will be hard put to offer a sound definition of their "God", because for them it is easier arguing about scripture and science than it is thinking about what it is that they actually believe. Many of them I would describe as "Pooh Bears".

I am not going to hold my breath awaiting a reply, as I have asked one or to who post around here the a similar question and have been ignored.

monkeyboy · #5 by **monkeyboy** » Dec 28, 2011 10:06 pm

In another thread threre was this;

Jireh wrote:
I have tons of positive evidence for the God of the bible - but that is not the issue of this topic.

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=28094&p=1131955#p1131955

Jireh has been invited over by the OP and myself to come and present his evidence. It should be illuminating.

THWOTH · #6 by **THWOTH** » Dec 28, 2011 10:23 pm

This question strikes at the heart of Faith; if God exists, what is God?

:coffee:

Regina · #7 by **Regina** » Dec 28, 2011 10:27 pm

THWOTH wrote:This question strikes at the heart of Faith; if God exists, what is God?

You wouldn't ask if you had ever met me in person.

:hide:

THWOTH · #8 by **THWOTH** » Dec 28, 2011 11:02 pm

Regina wrote:
THWOTH wrote:This question strikes at the heart of Faith; if God exists, what is God?

You wouldn't ask if you had ever met me in person.

What are you again? :scratch:

CdesignProponentsist · #9 by **CdesignProponentsist** » Dec 28, 2011 11:03 pm

The best I can come up with is...

Someone you don't want to deny or he will fucking have you, your family and your animals killed and leave your land scorched.

THWOTH · **#10** by **THWOTH** » Dec 28, 2011 11:08 pm

CdesignProponentsist wrote:The best I can come up with is...

Someone you don't want to deny or he will fucking have you, your family and your animals killed and leave your land scorched.

...because He loves you so very much.

Regina · **#11** by **Regina** » Dec 28, 2011 11:10 pm

THWOTH wrote:
Regina wrote:
THWOTH wrote:This question strikes at the heart of Faith; if God exists, what is God?

You wouldn't ask if you had ever met me in person.

What are you again?

Ah....a Doubting Thomas! :evilgrin:

THWOTH · **#12** by **THWOTH** » Dec 28, 2011 11:13 pm

Regina wrote:
THWOTH wrote:What are you again?

Ah....a Doubting Thomas!

Ah... but what am I, or what might I be, doubting exactly?

:whistle:

Regina · **#13** by **Regina** » Dec 28, 2011 11:15 pm

Me, obviously.

THWOTH · **#14** by **THWOTH** » Dec 28, 2011 11:17 pm

Regina wrote:Me, obviously.

Though I am prepared to acknowledge that you are superior being to me I still do not know exactly what you are. :ask:

Regina · **#15** by **Regina** » Dec 28, 2011 11:21 pm

THWOTH wrote:
Regina wrote:Me, obviously.

Though I am prepared to acknowledge that you are superior being to me I still do not know exactly what you are.

See? Now we're getting somewhere. That's what makes Godesses, doesn't it? :grin:

z8000783 · **#16** by **z8000783** » Dec 29, 2011 8:09 am

Made of Stars wrote:
Jireh wrote:Please present the reasons, which most convince you strong atheism is true. Base it on a positive arguments , not on a negative ( the bible is garbage etc..... )

In another thread, Jireh posted the above.

On reflection, I came to the question: If a coherent positive argument for a-theism is to be presented, a coherent definition of theism must exist, and specifically, a coherent definition of the object of theism should be provided.

So how about it theists? Can you provide a coherent definition of god? As the common object on this forum is the Abrahamic god (YWHW, the triune god, Allah, etc) let's run with that one. Perhaps once you've come up with a consistent definition, we can have a common base to work from, define atheism, and develop arguments for and against that position.

So does that mean that strong atheism is irrational at the moment?

John

rainbow · **#17** by **rainbow** » Dec 29, 2011 8:13 am

Made of Stars wrote:
Jireh wrote:Please present the reasons, which most convince you strong atheism is true. Base it on a positive arguments , not on a negative ( the bible is garbage etc..... )

In another thread, Jireh posted the above.

On reflection, I came to the question: If a coherent positive argument for a-theism is to be presented, a coherent definition of theism must exist, and specifically, a coherent definition of the object of theism should be provided.

So how about it theists? Can you provide a coherent definition of god? As the common object on this forum is the Abrahamic god (YWHW, the triune god, Allah, etc) let's run with that one. Perhaps once you've come up with a consistent definition, we can have a common base to work from, define atheism, and develop arguments for and against that position.

It is impossible to define the infinite.

Scot Dutchy · **#18** by **Scot Dutchy** » Dec 29, 2011 8:17 am

This queation has been asked so often and we are never given a simple straightforward answer.
Both Jireh and A4H give a load of shit as an answer but they cant come up with true evidence as it does not exist.

On all these threads where this and similer questions are asked all end up the same just going around in circles.

So boring.

rainbow · **#19** by **rainbow** » Dec 29, 2011 8:22 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:This queation has been asked so often and we are never given a simple straightforward answer.

I thought I had given you a simple straightforward answer.
:scratch:

Scot Dutchy · **#20** by **Scot Dutchy** » Dec 29, 2011 8:27 am

rainbow wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:This queation has been asked so often and we are never given a simple straightforward answer.

I thought I had given you a simple straightforward answer.

Never asked you anything. :scratch: