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Matthew 10:37
Anyone who loves his father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me;
Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Sendraks wrote:Jesus says plenty of pretty egotisical stuff in the bible.Clearly he was far from being morally perfect.Matthew 10:37
Anyone who loves his father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me;Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Didn't he get angry at a fig tree for not bearing figs out of season?devogue wrote:Putting aside the supernatural and the divine, was Jesus's character perfect as written in the New Testament? Perfectly "sinless", perfectly moral...from a human perspective.
The New Testament is beautifully written in many ways; it's a masterpiece as a study of the human condition, teeming with characters with wildly obvious but often deeply subtle flaws. But Jesus does seem to be the morally perfect human at the centre of the story.
Or is he?
devogue wrote:
But if he was the epitome of humanity, that moral speed of light we can reach for but never quite attain, aren't our parents and family forever 99.9999% of that, and only 100% true love for them can be reached by submitting to the human perfection, the perfect ego, of Christ?
Hermit wrote:Didn't he get angry at a fig tree for not bearing figs out of season?devogue wrote:Putting aside the supernatural and the divine, was Jesus's character perfect as written in the New Testament? Perfectly "sinless", perfectly moral...from a human perspective.
The New Testament is beautifully written in many ways; it's a masterpiece as a study of the human condition, teeming with characters with wildly obvious but often deeply subtle flaws. But Jesus does seem to be the morally perfect human at the centre of the story.
Or is he?
And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever.
Mark 11:12-14
Sendraks wrote:devogue wrote:
But if he was the epitome of humanity, that moral speed of light we can reach for but never quite attain, aren't our parents and family forever 99.9999% of that, and only 100% true love for them can be reached by submitting to the human perfection, the perfect ego, of Christ?
That's just assuming the conclusion. No different to "God is good, so if god wills it, it must be good."
This is a tough sell to children with parasites stuck in their eyes.
Or rape victims.
Or the victims of genocide/natural disasters/the Trump administration.
devogue wrote:Hermit wrote:Didn't he get angry at a fig tree for not bearing figs out of season?devogue wrote:Putting aside the supernatural and the divine, was Jesus's character perfect as written in the New Testament? Perfectly "sinless", perfectly moral...from a human perspective.
The New Testament is beautifully written in many ways; it's a masterpiece as a study of the human condition, teeming with characters with wildly obvious but often deeply subtle flaws. But Jesus does seem to be the morally perfect human at the centre of the story.
Or is he?
And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever.
Mark 11:12-14
A perfect example of humanity.
Hermit wrote:devogue wrote:Hermit wrote:Didn't he get angry at a fig tree for not bearing figs out of season?devogue wrote:Putting aside the supernatural and the divine, was Jesus's character perfect as written in the New Testament? Perfectly "sinless", perfectly moral...from a human perspective.
The New Testament is beautifully written in many ways; it's a masterpiece as a study of the human condition, teeming with characters with wildly obvious but often deeply subtle flaws. But Jesus does seem to be the morally perfect human at the centre of the story.
Or is he?
And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever.
Mark 11:12-14
A perfect example of humanity.
Yes indeed. You asked "was Jesus's character perfect as written in the New Testament? Perfectly "sinless", perfectly moral...from a human perspective." Bible says: "No". Chapter and verse quoted.
Feel free to redefine "perfect character", "perfectly sinless" and "perfectly moral", though, especially from "a human perspective".
devogue wrote:Yes, but we're born with worms in our eyes,
devogue wrote: Again, remove the supernatural, stick to the text, his life and his teaching..
devogue wrote:Hermit wrote:devogue wrote:Hermit wrote:Didn't he get angry at a fig tree for not bearing figs out of season?
And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever.
Mark 11:12-14
A perfect example of humanity.
Yes indeed. You asked "was Jesus's character perfect as written in the New Testament? Perfectly "sinless", perfectly moral...from a human perspective." Bible says: "No". Chapter and verse quoted.
Feel free to redefine "perfect character", "perfectly sinless" and "perfectly moral", though, especially from "a human perspective".
Germans. No sense of humour
devogue wrote:Naturally I have six glasses of wine in me.
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