What if God died?

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What if God died?

#1  Postby zulumoose » Oct 18, 2016 7:40 pm

I am curious as to what answers theists might give to the question.

Atheists obviously believe the world is entirely consistent with there being no gods, that no miracle claims are true, and a god is unnecessary for everyday reality to continue as is. What do theists think a god is necessary for though?

The question is this. Given that God is real, but he dies at midnight tonight, what will be different tomorrow?

Would theists admit that the frequency of miracle claims will remain the same, and that religious leaders and ordinary believers will continue to claim that they have a connection to or relationship with God/gods/Jesus? Would they claim to be surprised that natural disasters ("acts of God") would continue as before? What changes would they really expect?

Who would notice if God died? How?
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Re: What if God died?

#2  Postby SafeAsMilk » Oct 18, 2016 7:50 pm

I don't think they would admit that the frequency of miracle claims would remain the same.
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Re: What if God died?

#3  Postby Arnold Layne » Oct 18, 2016 8:26 pm

You wouldn't even get that far. You'd simply get denial that God can die.
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Re: What if God died?

#4  Postby Wortfish » Oct 18, 2016 8:52 pm

Theists believe that God not only creates but also sustains the universe. Therefore, if God died, creation would end too.
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Re: What if God died?

#5  Postby ScholasticSpastic » Oct 18, 2016 8:52 pm

zulumoose wrote:
Who would notice if God died? How?

I would. Because I'd be dead. ;)
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Re: What if God died?

#6  Postby ScholasticSpastic » Oct 18, 2016 8:53 pm

Wortfish wrote:Theists believe that God not only creates but also sustains the universe. Therefore, if God died, creation would end too.

This suffers from the same flaw my answer has: How would you notice not existing? 8-)
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Re: What if God died?

#7  Postby Fenrir » Oct 18, 2016 9:08 pm

Arnold Layne wrote:You wouldn't even get that far. You'd simply get denial that God can die.

But but god is omni omni. She can do anything. Anything has to include dying. Doesn't it?
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Re: What if God died?

#8  Postby Arnold Layne » Oct 18, 2016 9:13 pm

Wortfish wrote:Theists believe that God not only creates but also sustains the universe. Therefore, if God died, creation would end too.

They all believe that, do they? :scratch:
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Re: What if God died?

#9  Postby ScholasticSpastic » Oct 18, 2016 9:21 pm

Arnold Layne wrote:
Wortfish wrote:Theists believe that God not only creates but also sustains the universe. Therefore, if God died, creation would end too.

They all believe that, do they? :scratch:

Maybe he means all the theists which matter. And that automatically translates to just the theists who are like him. ;)
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Re: What if God died?

#10  Postby tuco » Oct 18, 2016 9:23 pm

If God died someone like Nietzsche would tell us about it .. oh wait! Well, it would probably be the same as if leprechaun died.
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Re: What if God died?

#11  Postby Arnold Layne » Oct 18, 2016 9:35 pm

ScholasticSpastic wrote:
Arnold Layne wrote:
Wortfish wrote:Theists believe that God not only creates but also sustains the universe. Therefore, if God died, creation would end too.

They all believe that, do they? :scratch:

Maybe he means all the theists which matter. And that automatically translates to just the theists who are like him. ;)

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Re: What if God died?

#12  Postby Wortfish » Oct 18, 2016 10:27 pm

Arnold Layne wrote:
Wortfish wrote:Theists believe that God not only creates but also sustains the universe. Therefore, if God died, creation would end too.

They all believe that, do they? :scratch:


No. Theists believe that God is immortal. But they do believe that God sustains his creation. Deists think he doesn't need to.
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Re: What if God died?

#13  Postby ScholasticSpastic » Oct 18, 2016 10:46 pm

Wortfish wrote:Theists believe that God is immortal.

No they don't. The theists you're familiar with may believe in an immortal god, but that theism isn't all theism.
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Re: What if God died?

#14  Postby LucidFlight » Oct 18, 2016 11:07 pm

God already died... and came back again, apparently. I think the universe carried on as usual during those days.
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Re: What if God died?

#15  Postby ScholasticSpastic » Oct 18, 2016 11:27 pm

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Re: What if God died?

#16  Postby scott1328 » Oct 18, 2016 11:31 pm

Ilúvatar would send him back until his work was done, only then can he sail into the West and rest on the shores of Amán.
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Re: What if God died?

#17  Postby BlackBart » Oct 19, 2016 6:28 am

LucidFlight wrote:God already died... and came back again, apparently. I think the universe carried on as usual during those days.

Fortunately, it was over an Easter weekend when there's not much going on anyway.
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Re: What if God died?

#18  Postby Animavore » Oct 19, 2016 10:59 am

If God died surely His Son would just take over? :ask:
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Re: What if God died?

#19  Postby zulumoose » Oct 19, 2016 11:43 am

Or if god is eternal and he died then he would always have been dead
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Re: What if God died?

#20  Postby Arcanyn » Oct 19, 2016 12:59 pm

Out of the dead deity's chest cavity will emerge a horde of unspeakable undead parasites, who, having consumed the powers of their dead host will then burst forth and unleash armageddon on an unsuspecting world. The universe will be their banquet table, and for those unfortunate enough to be alive to witness such terror, the only real question will be, who will be eaten first?
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