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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5761  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Dec 17, 2018 6:08 pm

Fair enough.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5762  Postby murshid » Dec 23, 2018 11:19 am

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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5763  Postby Alan B » Dec 23, 2018 12:46 pm

I'm convinced! Praise de Lard! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5764  Postby Arcanyn » Dec 24, 2018 2:12 am

Actually, if you try to live off nothing but bread, you'll end up suffering all sorts of painful and ultimately fatal nutritional deficiencies.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5765  Postby Calilasseia » Dec 26, 2018 11:49 am

Plus, these aren't "elements" in the strict chemical sense of the term ...
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5766  Postby scott1328 » Dec 26, 2018 1:27 pm

Calilasseia wrote:Plus, these aren't "elements" in the strict chemical sense of the term ...

Bread isn't an element even in the Ancient Greece sense of the term.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5767  Postby scott1328 » Dec 26, 2018 1:29 pm

... I was just hashing out this argument on Monday. We can be certain in fact that the Birth of Jesus and the resulting New Testament is "true" for two reasons 1) If a devout Jew or a group of devout Jews were creating a "story" from whole cloth. Jesus would have been a Messiah who would have ridden in with an Army of Angels and booted Rome out of Palestine. And if by some circumstance He was crucified;; you would not have made the Chief Priests responsible; and certainly they wouldn't have "paid" off Judas. 2) There is some physical evidence for the events as told; there is no evidence of Rome being "booted" out of Palestine at the time of Christ's Ministry. Apologies to the Admin for taking bandwidth. But if you open a box; somebody has to try to put the lid on it.


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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5768  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Dec 26, 2018 2:24 pm

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... I was just hashing out this argument on Monday. We can be certain in fact that the Birth of Jesus and the resulting New Testament is "true" for two reasons 1) If a devout Jew or a group of devout Jews were creating a "story" from whole cloth. Jesus would have been a Messiah who would have ridden in with an Army of Angels and booted Rome out of Palestine. And if by some circumstance He was crucified;; you would not have made the Chief Priests responsible; and certainly they wouldn't have "paid" off Judas. 2) There is some physical evidence for the events as told; there is no evidence of Rome being "booted" out of Palestine at the time of Christ's Ministry. Apologies to the Admin for taking bandwidth. But if you open a box; somebody has to try to put the lid on it.


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Dafuq? :what:
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5769  Postby Tinker Grey » Dec 27, 2018 4:30 am

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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5770  Postby Thommo » Dec 27, 2018 1:09 pm

murshid wrote:Image


This is why a dark cupboard is lethal, but a lit freezer (or oven) is fine.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5771  Postby Calilasseia » Dec 27, 2018 1:17 pm

Just out of interest, I decided to think about this term "deepity", so that it's placed upon a rigorous foundation, and see if I could arrive at a definition thereof, from first principles, before examining what others have expounded on the subject (NOTE: I haven't actually read Daniel Dennet's tome in which this term was introduced, so I will be starting from first principles in this matter).

On the basis of observational data, I conclude that a 'deepity' is a superficial aphorism, presented as if it constituted a profound philosophical statement, relying for its seductive power upon the manner in which some genuinely profound philosophical statements are brief and terse.

Having arrived at the above definition, I then decided to see what Dennett had actually said on the subject, and his definition is somewhat different, but related to the above. Dennett defines a 'deepity' as a statement that appears profound, but is trivial on one level and meaningless on another.

Though there is an intersection between my derivation from first principles, and Dennett's definition, the overlap between the two parts of the Venn Diagram is not total. I think there is utility value in redefining the term as the set union. :)
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5772  Postby scott1328 » Dec 27, 2018 1:22 pm

Calilasseia wrote:Just out of interest, I decided to think about this term "deepity", so that it's placed upon a rigorous foundation, and see if I could arrive at a definition thereof, from first principles, before examining what others have expounded on the subject (NOTE: I haven't actually read Daniel Dennet's tome in which this term was introduced, so I will be starting from first principles in this matter).

On the basis of observational data, I conclude that a 'deepity' is a superficial aphorism, presented as if it constituted a profound philosophical statement, relying for its seductive power upon the manner in which some genuinely profound philosophical statements are brief and terse.

Having arrived at the above definition, I then decided to see what Dennett had actually said on the subject, and his definition is somewhat different, but related to the above. Dennett defines a 'deepity' as a statement that appears profound, but is trivial on one level and meaningless on another.

Though there is an intersection between my derivation from first principles, and Dennett's definition, the overlap between the two parts of the Venn Diagram is not total. I think there is utility value in redefining the term as the set union. :)


Why not? Deepity is just a seven letter word.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5773  Postby Calilasseia » Dec 27, 2018 1:29 pm

I see what you did there :)
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5774  Postby Rumraket » Dec 29, 2018 9:37 am

Some muslim who is in denial about whether his religion some times inspires terrorist groups:

ISIS does not exist. It is an organization created to help keep the Dictators of the Middle east in power so that the Zionists and their collaborators can continue to get cheap raw materials and human capital to keep the balance of power in the world in their favor. The cowards and tyrants who rule the middle east collaborate with their Zionist Masters. The only way to stop this is to fix the corrupt Judiciary. If Judges and Lawyers and Prosecutors were to stop being corrupt, then all institutions could be fixed and everyone would develop faith in the Judiciary and Justice would be assured for all. Eventually, if people truly had faith in a just judiciary, the Dictators who oppress their people would not longer be able to do so... this won't happen so long as nonsense about ISIS is believed by the masses. ISIS is nothing more than the latest reincarnation of ALLCAIDUH and in a few years, the Zionists will come up with yet another way to market fear and self loathing to corrupt Arab Dicatotors and the useful idiots who empower them by writing nonsense like the article above about ficticious organizaions.


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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5775  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 29, 2018 9:51 am

One way of looking at it.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5776  Postby BlackBart » Dec 29, 2018 9:53 am

This is why a dark cupboard is lethal, but a lit freezer (or oven) is fine.


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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5777  Postby thinkerman » Jan 08, 2019 6:55 pm

"There's no problem of evil. Evil doesn't really exist, it's only absence of good."

But of course, that solves it all :doh:
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5778  Postby scott1328 » Jan 08, 2019 7:13 pm

thinkerman wrote:"There's no problem of evil. Evil doesn't really exist, it's only absence of good."

But of course, that solves it all :doh:

Then how can there be an "absence of good" when God is omnibenevolent and omnipresent?
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5779  Postby thinkerman » Jan 08, 2019 8:44 pm

scott1328 wrote:
thinkerman wrote:"There's no problem of evil. Evil doesn't really exist, it's only absence of good."

But of course, that solves it all :doh:

Then how can there be an "absence of good" when God is omnibenevolent and omnipresent?
Just to make clear: my "but of course, that solves it all" was sarcasm.

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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5780  Postby scott1328 » Jan 08, 2019 9:24 pm

thinkerman wrote:
scott1328 wrote:
thinkerman wrote:"There's no problem of evil. Evil doesn't really exist, it's only absence of good."

But of course, that solves it all :doh:

Then how can there be an "absence of good" when God is omnibenevolent and omnipresent?
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Your sarcasm was clear.

The problem of evil (POE) is typically based on the apparent contradiction that the existence of evil is incompatible and contradictory to the commonly given attributes of God: omnipotence ,omniscience, omnibenevolence. What you quoted is an apologist's facile end-run around the POE by ruling out the existence of evil. The obvious retort is that "absence of good" is contradictory to the omnipresence and/or omnibenevolence of God.
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