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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5901  Postby Svartalf » Jun 29, 2019 8:51 am

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Now, the French revolution on the other hand was not god focused at all. It was lead and supported by the atheists. They started arresting and beheading people simply because they disagreed.

Yeah. Then Napoleon came along and sorted them out: 'Hmmm. This religion thing is useful for controlling the masses...'
Or something similar.

Even before Napoleon came up and restored catholicism as the state religion through the concordate with the pope, Robespierre had tried to dominate the masses through a revolutionary religion with his cult of the Supreme being and whatnot.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5902  Postby Alan B » Jun 29, 2019 10:42 am

Didn't know that. So much for 'atheists' running the show.
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#5903  Postby Svartalf » Jun 29, 2019 10:53 am

Don't know if the Supreme Being really caught on, but I guess many people gave lip service because at that time, an accusation of unrevolutionary tendencies was a short way from an end under the National Razor.
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#5904  Postby Cito di Pense » Jun 29, 2019 11:27 am

Svartalf wrote:Robespierre had tried to dominate the masses through a revolutionary religion with his cult of the Supreme being and whatnot.


I can't tell you how very, very French this seems to me. Didn't the revolutionaries rename the calendar, too? There! That should revolutionize things. What was that one month? Humidor? Fast forward, 250 years, the snowflakes are melting. Maybe homeopathy can help.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5905  Postby Ironclad » Jun 30, 2019 3:08 pm

There's a midwife here talking to the ladies and saying, "inchallah", like it's going out of fashion. It is driving me nuts. Yesterday she wheeled a bed off the ward to the delivery suite at speed saying to the woman, "use your hijab sister, get some control". For pity's sakes, the expectant mother may have had other concerns than a male doctor lusting over her hair whilst her legs were thrown wide open.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5906  Postby Alan B » Jun 30, 2019 6:46 pm

Point her in the direction of Queen Rania of Jordan's website about the Hijab. She'll probably think it's blasphemous.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5907  Postby Aca » Jul 08, 2019 5:56 am

"Academic claims on Kuwaiti television that gay men have an 'anal worm that feeds on semen"

"A video released by MEMRI, a US-based news outlet covering stories from the Middle East, claims that she said:

As well as the fourth gender, which is butch lesbians.

This is all science, so there’s nothing to be ashamed of.

The sexual urge develops when a person is sexually attacked.

And afterwards it persists because there is an anal worm that feeds on semen. It feeds on sperm.

So, what I did was to produce suppositories, which are to be used by certain people at a certain time.

It cures those urges by exterminating the worm that feeds on the sperm."

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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5908  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jul 10, 2019 3:13 pm

A Christian apologist in response to me pointing out their argument is a circular reasoning fallacy:
In apologetics it is known as a virtuous circular argument.


I haven't managed to find that notion in any reliable philosophical source.
So far, I've only encountered it in the form of a virtuous cycle, as opposed to a vicious cycle.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5909  Postby Spearthrower » Jul 10, 2019 3:18 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:A Christian apologist in response to me pointing out their argument is a circular reasoning fallacy:
In apologetics it is known as a virtuous circular argument.


I haven't managed to find that notion in any reliable philosophical source.
So far, I've only encountered it in the form of a virtuous cycle, as opposed to a vicious cycle.



In counter-apologetics it's known as ad hoc bullshit.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5910  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jul 10, 2019 3:27 pm

Exactly.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#5911  Postby Zwaarddijk » Jul 11, 2019 5:47 pm

I recently came across a claim that implies that one piece of evidence that the Muslims are evil and don't want piece in the middle East, is that they refuse to call Jerusalem "Yerushalalim, which is the Jewish name". This was of course a claim made by some weirdo end-times Christian, who probably is less knowledgeable about the plethora of names used for that city in Judaism, and how almost all the names used by Muslims are closer to those Jewish names than the English pronunciation of "Jerusalem" is to the Hebrew pronunciation of יְרוּשָׁלַיִם
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#5912  Postby Svartalf » Jul 11, 2019 6:17 pm

Why would they say 'yeroushalayim" when they can call it 'al Quds", the Holy City?
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#5913  Postby Ironclad » Jul 11, 2019 8:01 pm

Maybe because it isn't The holy city, or is certainly no longer. Read up on Qiblah for more information, but in a nutshell - it used to be Jerusalem when Mo tried to absorb the Jews, but they didn't want to play ball and he cried and ran off to play with other people's children.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5914  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jul 12, 2019 10:44 am

Zwaarddijk wrote:I recently came across a claim that implies that one piece of evidence that the Muslims are evil and don't want piece in the middle East, is that they refuse to call Jerusalem "Yerushalalim, which is the Jewish name". This was of course a claim made by some weirdo end-times Christian, who probably is less knowledgeable about the plethora of names used for that city in Judaism, and how almost all the names used by Muslims are closer to those Jewish names than the English pronunciation of "Jerusalem" is to the Hebrew pronunciation of יְרוּשָׁלַיִם

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"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#5915  Postby fluttermoth » Jul 12, 2019 12:03 pm

Zwaarddijk wrote:I recently came across a claim that implies that one piece of evidence that the Muslims are evil and don't want piece in the middle East, is that they refuse to call Jerusalem "Yerushalalim, which is the Jewish name". This was of course a claim made by some weirdo end-times Christian, who probably is less knowledgeable about the plethora of names used for that city in Judaism, and how almost all the names used by Muslims are closer to those Jewish names than the English pronunciation of "Jerusalem" is to the Hebrew pronunciation of יְרוּשָׁלַיִם


I guess this is the kind of bollocks that happens when people give words magic powers :roll:
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5916  Postby Aca » Jul 12, 2019 8:10 pm

That's it :lol:
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#5917  Postby Spearthrower » Jul 12, 2019 8:28 pm

It's hard to say what is just in this case, but GailQ needs, at the very least, to have a remedial stay in an education camp, otherwise known as High School.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5918  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jul 17, 2019 12:20 pm

So often it seems like presups have their own language/dictionary:
Thanks for dropping by, Jason. I’d like to address your core argument and I think it’s this: “I dont really care for what one can assert, I care about what one can demonstrate.” If I may rephrase it, you want demonstrable proof, not assertions.

The presuppositional proof, if you can see it, is without God you can’t prove anything. He alone lays the foundation for all rational thought, morality, purpose, and destiny in the universe. But let’s just stay with rationality. The very fact that you are looking for proof, indicates that you’re interested in truth. I hope that’s a fair assumption.

But why? Why would you be concerned about truth? It makes no sense if you’re just cosmic happenstance floating around on a dying planet in the accidental universe. So you can enjoy your spin and eventual death and nothingness? What good is truth to grown-up pond scum?

The very fact that you’re aiming for some truth and reasonableness to the universe is proof you believe in transcendent order. And transcendent order doesn’t happen with materialistic naturalism — it cannot account for that order. Only the God of Scripture can account for such high ideals as we find in the pursuit of truth.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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