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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5721  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 12, 2018 12:01 pm

A lot of happiness there Ev.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5722  Postby Evolving » Oct 12, 2018 12:18 pm

newolder wrote:It seems to have tripled your happiness quotient, at least.


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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5723  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 12, 2018 12:27 pm

Blame it on Brexit.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5724  Postby quas » Oct 20, 2018 1:32 am


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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5725  Postby Zwaarddijk » Oct 24, 2018 7:34 am

I think I have a pretty crazy one to contribute. In fact, hearing this made me remember this thread exists, which in turn made me realize 'hey, that was a pretty fun forum, maybe I should go back', and so... since I heard this in personam, and not in English, I will just provide a summary of the reasoning. Some of it is based on the typical Finnish lutheran idea of grace, law and salvation, that I may add in a few turns of phrase to clarify this to someone that hasn't been steeped in that way of thinking:

- allergies were less common back in the day, no one cared about 'glutenfree' or 'milk free' or 'egg free' and so on just a couple of decades ago. (The person added an anecdote here: a colleague's wife did have celiac disease in the 1980s, but he saw her eat sweetbread with wheat in it on occasion so he knows it's all just make-believe!) - this is really a psychological thing rooted in mankind's hate for God.
- see, humans want to earn salvation, they want to be GOOD ENOUGH on their own,
- however, everyone hates God, and so can't accept that his rules are the only rules that are valid, and therefore come up with their own rules, and what's easier to come up with than 'I can't eat gluten' or 'I must not eat meat' or 'I can have neither fish nor eggs', and since they want to be able to be holy out of their own volition, they will never be able to realize that man always will fail to live up to God's rules, and thus the only way is to accept God's grace.

as additional peculiar quirks, which form clear contradictions with other beliefs he professed, we can add:
- he also stated that nowhere has God ever banned any foods (but he also stated that the Bible obviously is God's perfect word)
- he also stated that until the deluge, eating meat was banned
- he also stated that the bible said no one ate meat before the deluge (which it doesn't, it only says God banned it); this is kinda relevant since such a flawed ability to read what a text actually says kinda conflicts with his claim that
- he's been working as a lawyer all the way until his retirement; one would think a lawyer would be better at actually understanding what a text says: it says it was forbidden, not that no one did it.
Anyways, the last few things here are just added to illustrate that this person's logical faculties maybe have been a bit deteriorating over the last years or something.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5726  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Oct 24, 2018 7:50 pm

A comment on a Dutch article about Christians being more afraid of Halloween than other people:
Zijn wij Christenen dan 'bang' omdat we voor Zijn woord kiezen?
Omdat we de duivelse praktijken verafschuwen?
Of ben jij bang omdat je mee wil doen met het wereldse en niet als 'de Christen die nooit wat mag' wil worden betiteld?
Want zo wordt het vaak gezien dat wij het niet mogen uit ons geloof maar het gaat niet om moeten het gaat om willen.
Als ik God echt zo diep in mijn hart heb, heb ik geen behoefte aan een demonisch feest als halloween.

Mijn ouders hebben mij ook verboden om naar jetix, mtv/tmf etc te kijken. Ik heb nooit een film van harry potter gezien. Ze hebben mij wel uitgelegd waarom ik het niet mocht zien en nu ik volwassen ben sta ik daar nog steeds achter en geef ik dat door aan mijn dochter (4.5).
Mijn dochter mag dus ook niet deelnemen aan halloween feestjes. Los van het feit dat dit haar nachrust positief beïnvloed wil ik haar niet blootstellen aan al die lugubere beelden.
En je ze is 4.5 en heeft behalve kinderzenders nooit andere tv gezien.
Monsters, heksen en trollen probeer ik ook zoveel mogelijk uit haar zicht te houden.
En als ze het ziet dan praten we erover.
We zijn Christenen in een wereldse wereld, laten we duidelijk voor Hem kiezen!


Translation:
Are we Christians 'afraid' because we choose His word?
Because we revile demonic practices?
Or are you afraid because you want to participate in the wordly and not be called a 'Christian that is never allowed to do what they want'?
Because that's what people often misunderstand; that we are not allowed things because of our religion. But it is not about not being allowed but rather not wanting.
When I see God so deeply in my heart, I have no need for a demonic party like Halloween.

My parents did forbid me from watching Jetix, MTV/TMF etc.
I've never seen a Harry Potter film.
They did explain why I was not allowed to watch those things and now as an adult I stand by their decision and pass it onto my daughter (4 1/2)
Therefore my daughter is also not allowed to attend Halloween parties.
Besides disrupting her night rythm (sleeping), I do not want to expose her to horrible imagery.
And yes, she is 4 1/2 and has never watched television with the exception of children shows.
I try, as much as possible, to keep her away from images of monsters, withes and trolls.
And is she does see those, we talk about it.
We are Christians in a worldly world, let us choose clearly for Him!
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#5727  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Oct 24, 2018 8:09 pm

Same person also trots out the PRATT that Columbine was caused by gaming and violent video games:
Did you ever see Bowling for Columbine?
I had to watch it years ago in high school.
It's about a high school shooting in America.
There have been multiple shootings since and in another documentary they warned about the danger of video games.
Because there are lonely teens who are addicted to computer games wherein they have to shoot everyone. These teens plays day after day for hours on end?
At a certain point they no longer see the difference between the game and the real world and everyone becomes an enemy and they become dangerous. As obviously happened.

Children believe in fantasy. For them Santa Clause is real and his sleigh flies through the air.
If they encounter horrible images at a young age, those images will become normalize and then you will see that it will cause a distorted worldview in adults.
Their morality shifts. We as parents/adults have a duty to properly inform our children about these issues.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5729  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 20, 2018 7:38 am

Another 'atheism caused the cold war atrocities and Christianity ended it' narrative:
the Gulag Archipelago stands in witness against you. Atheism is a negative claim about God's existence and it has been complicit in various totalitarian governmental repressions of basic human rights.

You must not have been very old during the cold war if you think Christianity didn't play a crucial part in tearing down the wall. Check back issues of Time magazine where Reagan and the Pope are shaking hands. Maybe checking out where Pope John Paul II came from and his connection with Welensa's solidarity movement might open your eyes to better understanding.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#5730  Postby felltoearth » Nov 20, 2018 11:57 pm

I like these morons that reference all of Peterson’s references, basically wearing him on their sleeves, and then believe themselves to be free thinkers. There’s more to life than Solzhenitsyn and Rand FFS.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5731  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 22, 2018 8:34 pm

Another Christian projecting his religious thinking on evolution:
They have their circular reasoning.
Evolution meets no criteria of origins ,morality etc.
The evolutionist must refuse to look at truth and facts .They double down on insults because of this.
Most of them have never read the 1859 book by Darwin .Still he wrote 2 chapters that stated that his theory would not be valid if no new evidence came forth to support his model. It hasn't and yet they still hold on to their circular reasoning for Darwin's failed model.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#5732  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 22, 2018 9:21 pm

More from the same Dunning-Kruger expert:
Darwinian Evolution is still the foundation of the theory so its accurate to refer to it in those terms even though they are really dealing with the more sophisticated but still false neo darwinian synthesis of natural selection + randomn mutation. But what they are really saying is that we are not evolving but devolving. The existing information is becoming more and more scrambled through mutation with each new generation. This is a process leading to extinction not an increase in fitness. To not see this is, to me is what genuinely seems dishonest.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#5733  Postby Calilasseia » Nov 22, 2018 10:30 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:More from the same Dunning-Kruger expert:
Darwinian Evolution is still the foundation of the theory so its accurate to refer to it in those terms even though they are really dealing with the more sophisticated but still false neo darwinian synthesis of natural selection + randomn mutation. But what they are really saying is that we are not evolving but devolving. The existing information is becoming more and more scrambled through mutation with each new generation. This is a process leading to extinction not an increase in fitness. To not see this is, to me is what genuinely seems dishonest.


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#5734  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 23, 2018 8:39 am

Yup.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#5735  Postby Animavore » Nov 24, 2018 11:44 pm



Go to the 29:30 mark to see for yourself. Or just read below -

He defends against charges of being a snake-oil peddler by saying he doesn't sell snake oil.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5736  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 25, 2018 9:38 am

Animavore wrote:

Go to the 29:30 mark to see for yourself. Or just read below -

He defends against charges of being a snake-oil peddler by saying he doesn't sell snake oil.

I couldn't get through this video when I watched it originally. Hovind smug dishonesty manages to put WLC to shame. :yuk:
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#5737  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 27, 2018 6:22 pm

Right after explaining to a Dunning-Kruger numpty about what a scientific theory actually is, they post this:
So, in essence, what you are saying is that a theory is an "educated guess". But that's still a guess. In just my lifetime, a dinosaur was a gray reptile, now they are colorful birds, the first human was about a million years old, now Lucy is four million years old, and there was a difference between correlation and causation. Oh, and all those black flies in the UK were because of evolution not because the birds ate all the white ones they could actually see. Not saying evolution is a fake theory, I'm just saying, "Prove it!"
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#5738  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Dec 07, 2018 5:04 pm

When people garble together various things their pastor told them:
Atheism is CENTRAL to the philosophy that underlies Marxist Totalitarianism!
That philosophy is known as "Dialectical Materialism".
Good God man, how do you manage to get your FOOT into your MOUTH while your HEAD is stuck so far up your @$$ ? ? ?
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#5739  Postby Calilasseia » Dec 08, 2018 5:22 am

Thomas Eshuis wrote:When people garble together various things their pastor told them:
Atheism is CENTRAL to the philosophy that underlies Marxist Totalitarianism!
That philosophy is known as "Dialectical Materialism".
Good God man, how do you manage to get your FOOT into your MOUTH while your HEAD is stuck so far up your @$$ ? ? ?


As opposed to getting off their arse, picking up an actual copy of Das Kapital, and finding out what Marx actually wrote?

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#5740  Postby Keep It Real » Dec 08, 2018 6:11 pm

60ish year old racist Christian woman, begrudging "immigrants" mobile phones and TVs, today, whilst knocking on doors for the CLP:

I'm going to run down the High Street naked if Jeremy gets in!


Trust me, nobody wants to see that, or even imagine it, bitch.
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